Are the Emerald Witch and the White Witch the same person.

I think not.The emerald whitch died,and the white witch died too.How could she die twice? Besides,the emerald witch was kinder even though she was evil,she hardly ever lost her temper,until the end.While the white witch constantly lost her temper!
 
Well, if you look in the character descriptions that they have in the books, you'll find for the one for the White Witch C.S. Lewis says that she is very dangerous, especially in The Silver Chair, so I think that it is the same person.
Lucy but Taller said:
I think not.The emerald whitch died,and the white witch died too.How could she die twice? Besides,the emerald witch was kinder even though she was evil,she hardly ever lost her temper,until the end.While the white witch constantly lost her temper!
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Well, when she died she probably went down to the Underworld and ruled there.
 
Um, there's more than one "very dangerous" character. Just as there's more than one heroic character, and that doesn't make Reepicheep and Puddleglum the same person.

Besides, the underworld of Bizm is NOT an afterworld for the dead. It's just an underground environment.



Go read Badger's new story "Swept Away" -- not only because it's touching and clever, but also because I was allowed to give input for the plot!
 
Well while I am unsure if they are the same, I do know there is some connection. Too many references to the White Witch, and whether Rillain said so or not, I do believe the "Under me" passage is a White Witch reference.
 
How do you figure that? First off, Jadis never ruled "all earth" - only Narnia. Secondly, it was cut on a tomb "in ancient times" - certainly much further back than the thousand or so year difference between Jadis' death and the events in Silver Chair. Thirdly, it was a tombstone inscription, and Jadis died in Narnia, not in the Northlands, and nobody constructed a tomb of any kind for her, much less a colossal engraving.

And what "references" to the White Witch are made in Silver Chair? I count precisely one - the after-the-fact theorizing in the cave.
 
That's true, but you're overlooking the fact that nobody even made a tomb for Jadis, much less cut a giant inscription in rock hundreds of miles from where she died.
 
They do. I alwasy thought the inscrition applied more to the Giant Time. Remember when they are traveling through the underworld, the guide tells him he was once a Great King in the Upperlands.

It is possible that Jadis the White Witch, could have had followers. Keep in mind MR. Beaver even said, "even some of the trees are on her side." It even mentions that upon becoming king the Pevensies helepd remove them from Narnia and stamped many of them out, but as is evidenced in PC some could easily have been forced underground.
 
I'm convinced they are the same. I've thought and thought about it and I can't see how there could be another witch in Narnia. Yes, you could argue for a Jadis 'witch-training' scheme up and running in the Wild North or a chink that just happened to admit a with from a land that just happened to have witches, and she just happened to decide to take of Narnia, but I think that my analysis of the situation is no more far-fetched than these...

...prepares to get flamed :D
 
Joneeeeee! Welcome back!

You know I think your theory is way off base, but I am happy to see you. :)
 
inkspot said:
Joneeeeee! Welcome back!

You know I think your theory is way off base, but I am happy to see you. :)
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Of course! But what's the point of a discussion if everyone's going to agree? You need some crazy loon to get the juices flowing :D

It's great to see you too Jax. Thinking of you at the moment. :)
 
waterhogboy said:
Of course! But what's the point of a discussion if everyone's going to agree? You need some crazy loon to get the juices flowing :D

It's great to see you too Jax. Thinking of you at the moment. :)
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We won't say which of us two is the crazy loon ...
:)
 
CaspianGirl said:
Well, if you look in the character descriptions that they have in the books, you'll find for the one for the White Witch C.S. Lewis says that she is very dangerous, especially in The Silver Chair, so I think that it is the same person.

Well, when she died she probably went down to the Underworld and ruled there.
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I'd like to point out that these character descriptions were not written by C.S. Lewis, but by some editor who thought that Jadis and the Lady of the Green Kirtle were the same. Essentially, it's just another opinion.

waterhogboy said:
I'm convinced they are the same. I've thought and thought about it and I can't see how there could be another witch in Narnia. Yes, you could argue for a Jadis 'witch-training' scheme up and running in the Wild North or a chink that just happened to admit a with from a land that just happened to have witches, and she just happened to decide to take of Narnia, but I think that my analysis of the situation is no more far-fetched than these...

...prepares to get flamed :D
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I see your point. Yes, we see Jadis get tackled by Aslan, but we don't know that she dies, right? Possibly he just banished her someplace.
Furthermore, Jadis ate the apple of eternal life. Wouldn't that seem to preclude her dying?

Er, sorry. I forgot to flame you. *pulls out flamethrower & toast WHB*
 
I always thought that Jadis not dying was more of a matter of not dying by natural causes like old age or illness, but did not exclude death in battle ( or by Aslan.) Certainly, there could be some logic to ithis view too. Afterall Aslan said in TMN, that since a son of Adam had done the harm that they must help remedy it. Diggory did that by planting the tree, the four Pevensies by ending the hundred years winter and overthrowing her, and then it would stand to reason that Eustace and Jill would completly finish the job.
 
An eye-opener

Personally, I have long believed that the two witches were not the same, and anyone who belived otherwise was displaying his or her ignorance on the subject. However, all of those who believe that they were the same have brought up some very good points, and I no longer believe that they are ignorant. Nonetheless, I believe that Jadis was totally dead in LWW, and she wasn't coming back.
 
Sven-El said:
I always thought that Jadis not dying was more of a matter of not dying by natural causes like old age or illness, but did not exclude death in battle ( or by Aslan.) Certainly, there could be some logic to ithis view too. Afterall Aslan said in TMN, that since a son of Adam had done the harm that they must help remedy it. Diggory did that by planting the tree, the four Pevensies by ending the hundred years winter and overthrowing her, and then it would stand to reason that Eustace and Jill would completly finish the job.
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Yes, exactly. So, if the Pevensies invovlement in LWW was the completion of this, then why would evil and dangerous things continue to exist through the remainder of the book. Rather, throughout the books the humans were remedying their (or Digory's) initial introduction of it into the world until all is finally dealt with in LB. In this way, Jadis was the initial evil and so all the bad things in the world stem from her, which is why I think her 'soul' is the basis of all the evils in the books, whether that's the White Witch, Green Lady, Tash etc... Of course her final defeat is at the last battle.
 
her soul is the soul of evil, universal evil, so it's not necessary that her personality be attached to it in the form of making her and the green witch the same ...
 
Well that's clear as the natures of the two witches are different, but a change of personality doesn;t make you a different person ultimately...
 
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