Magician's Nephew Speculation
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Soldier of Aslan
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As soon as we see something of a development/ start date I guess then would be the time...
Aravis Kenobi
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Usually after the announcement, Specter goes about creating an extra sub-forum. But I don't remember if he waits until a release date has been announced, or if he goes ahead and creates one then adds in the date later.
Copperfox
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I guess one of the chief reasons for filming "Nephew" next is so they can use Tilda Swinton again before she gets too old for her part. And it shouldn't impair making "Silver Chair," since Will Poulter can grow SOME older and not be disqualified as Eustace, and Jill Pole hasn't been cast yet anyway.
Captain Craig
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I'm glad we are getting another film. Do you suppose that by doing this it helps close out the arc of The White Witch AND serve as a bridge to treat the last three films as a trilogy.
Trilogy of Pevensies
Lion,Witch Wardrobe
Price Caspian
Dawn Treader
Bridging Movie
Magicians Nephew
Final Trilogy
Silver Chair
Horse/Boy
Final Battle
Even though The White Witch isn't featured in PC or VOTDT they still incorportated her for a sense of consistnecy, imo. They would likely take liberties with the last three films and characters I'd think also.
If my idea had any shred of reality for what they were thinking then tying TSC into the other two is my question as well. My initial thought is this, just as White Witch was incorporated throughout PC and VOTDT maybe they bring Eustace along for the ride into the other two and keep Lucy in tow with Jill for TSC? Those actors are all ballpark same age afterall. Most posts at sites talking about the movie liked the actor as Eustace. So could tying him and the Pevensies together work as a type of "team up", thus getting more people to resample the franchise??
Trilogy of Pevensies
Lion,Witch Wardrobe
Price Caspian
Dawn Treader
Bridging Movie
Magicians Nephew
Final Trilogy
Silver Chair
Horse/Boy
Final Battle
Even though The White Witch isn't featured in PC or VOTDT they still incorportated her for a sense of consistnecy, imo. They would likely take liberties with the last three films and characters I'd think also.
If my idea had any shred of reality for what they were thinking then tying TSC into the other two is my question as well. My initial thought is this, just as White Witch was incorporated throughout PC and VOTDT maybe they bring Eustace along for the ride into the other two and keep Lucy in tow with Jill for TSC? Those actors are all ballpark same age afterall. Most posts at sites talking about the movie liked the actor as Eustace. So could tying him and the Pevensies together work as a type of "team up", thus getting more people to resample the franchise??
Soldier of Aslan
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Whoa!!!
If the Pevs. are shown it will probably be in the real world, bookending the Narnia parts. I don't think Fox,Walden, or the film makers want to deal with the angry fans if that happened. I do agree that the Film series seems to be falling for the Wicked Witch curse. FYI in all Oz adaptations the Wicked Witch is the big bad, in the book series she is only mentioned once in The Wizard of Oz's 39 official sequels. We all know Tash is the Big Bad in Narnia, but I have a feeling that the film makers are painting themselves in a corner with over exposing the audience to Jadis. Just like folks have a hard time having a different Oz villain, maybe they will also have a hard time without Jadis...
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amdd97
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I didn't think of Tilda getting to old! Gosh, now I glad they're making MN now. They can always make Will look younger. Plus, William(Moseley) was 21 when they made PC. They can wait for SC.
Driad54
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I feel there are several parts that need to be explicitly stressed in The Magicians Nephew
Granted there are many more themes that I would like them to dote upon:
1. Digory's "penance" for having brought evil into the world (emphasis on responsibility)
2. The desolation of Charn (Could Charn possibly be considered a form of Hell?)
3. Aslan's sympathy with Digory for his mother (To illustrate a compassionate God, but one who expects much of you)
4. The first "meeting" of the talking animals (I would love to see the first joke)
Do I have faith that they will touch upon each one of these items in a most satisfying way? Not so much. For I see with each movie (despite acknowledging the fact that movies stray from books) a departure from it's utterly apparent Christian roots (Except for LWW's: "It is finished."). I think it would be such a success for Christianity for the producers to trumpet these books for what they were meant to be, and have them do well at the box-office. That's my ultimate hope. But I feel I am being let down. On a pure enjoyment side of things, (aside from LWW) they have only been a cheap pleasurable experience.
- The Creation scene
- The scene where Digory picks the apple
- The transformation of Jadis into the White Witch (granted she is a bad egg before eating the apple, but she needs a look of utter depravity afterwards)
Granted there are many more themes that I would like them to dote upon:
1. Digory's "penance" for having brought evil into the world (emphasis on responsibility)
2. The desolation of Charn (Could Charn possibly be considered a form of Hell?)
3. Aslan's sympathy with Digory for his mother (To illustrate a compassionate God, but one who expects much of you)
4. The first "meeting" of the talking animals (I would love to see the first joke)
Do I have faith that they will touch upon each one of these items in a most satisfying way? Not so much. For I see with each movie (despite acknowledging the fact that movies stray from books) a departure from it's utterly apparent Christian roots (Except for LWW's: "It is finished."). I think it would be such a success for Christianity for the producers to trumpet these books for what they were meant to be, and have them do well at the box-office. That's my ultimate hope. But I feel I am being let down. On a pure enjoyment side of things, (aside from LWW) they have only been a cheap pleasurable experience.
Aravis Kenobi
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I didn't think of Tilda getting to old! Gosh, now I glad they're making MN now. They can always make Will look younger. Plus, William(Moseley) was 21 when they made PC. They can wait for SC.
Yes, but TSC isn't a good year after the last film. It's only a few months, according to MrBob.
Ouch. I agree though. Every film is getting further and further away from the books, pure and simple. Even if you don't count the Christian elements, they're still not getting it. And especially if the same team from VDT comes back to do TMN, well, I think we can kiss the franchise goodbye for good.
It will be so important to adhere to the plot as much as possible. There can be lots of new material without changing the plot or adding anything new.
For instance, a MN film can begin with an epic-scale, climactic confrontation (as was done in Jackson's FotR) between Jadis and her sister on Charn. The action builds rapidly and Jadis utters the deplorable word (although her voice is drowned out by a background roaring) and the screen fades to white. The scene then switches to London circa 1900, and we have a doctor telling Digory's aunt that her sister is dying of cancer. THEN Polly meets Digory and you're off and running - the "new" material is based on the actual plot.
This could and should have been done with VDT - the film could have opened with the three Telmarine lords approaching Alsan's table, quarreling, and then collapsing into their chairs when one of them touches the witch's knife (maybe with an accompanying "sonic" (magical) boom or something). THEN we could have switched to the Pevensies and Eustace, and Lord Bern could have actually been used to fill in some background info. They could have skipped Coriakin's isle entirely in the theatrical release (and saved it for the extended DVD, in it's proper sequence of discovery) and proceeded directly to the combined dragon/gold/deathwater island. Dark island would have been extremely, extremely more effective if it was unexpected and occured next, so they could have kept Eustace as a dragon for the sea serpent battle.
They then could have come cinematically full circle to Ramandu's island, and without the silly sword plot graft could have retained Reepicheep's true reason for going to Aslan's country (this was the biggest plot casualty of the 7 sword plot - that Reepicheep basically deserted the ship and his comrades with Caspian's blessing - my wife, who hadn't read VDT, was completely perplexed and it heavily undermined the scene). Best of all, Ramandu's daughter could have kept her best pickup line ever "Here he cannot kiss the Princess till he has dissolved the enchantment."
So you see, it's quite possible to add a ton of new material and remain faithful to the overall plot.
Incidentally, I still think the seven sword idea was basically plagiarized from The Swords of Wayland two-part episode in the old BBC TV series, Robin of Sherwood: http://www.robinofsherwood.org/swords.html
For instance, a MN film can begin with an epic-scale, climactic confrontation (as was done in Jackson's FotR) between Jadis and her sister on Charn. The action builds rapidly and Jadis utters the deplorable word (although her voice is drowned out by a background roaring) and the screen fades to white. The scene then switches to London circa 1900, and we have a doctor telling Digory's aunt that her sister is dying of cancer. THEN Polly meets Digory and you're off and running - the "new" material is based on the actual plot.
This could and should have been done with VDT - the film could have opened with the three Telmarine lords approaching Alsan's table, quarreling, and then collapsing into their chairs when one of them touches the witch's knife (maybe with an accompanying "sonic" (magical) boom or something). THEN we could have switched to the Pevensies and Eustace, and Lord Bern could have actually been used to fill in some background info. They could have skipped Coriakin's isle entirely in the theatrical release (and saved it for the extended DVD, in it's proper sequence of discovery) and proceeded directly to the combined dragon/gold/deathwater island. Dark island would have been extremely, extremely more effective if it was unexpected and occured next, so they could have kept Eustace as a dragon for the sea serpent battle.
They then could have come cinematically full circle to Ramandu's island, and without the silly sword plot graft could have retained Reepicheep's true reason for going to Aslan's country (this was the biggest plot casualty of the 7 sword plot - that Reepicheep basically deserted the ship and his comrades with Caspian's blessing - my wife, who hadn't read VDT, was completely perplexed and it heavily undermined the scene). Best of all, Ramandu's daughter could have kept her best pickup line ever "Here he cannot kiss the Princess till he has dissolved the enchantment."
So you see, it's quite possible to add a ton of new material and remain faithful to the overall plot.
Incidentally, I still think the seven sword idea was basically plagiarized from The Swords of Wayland two-part episode in the old BBC TV series, Robin of Sherwood: http://www.robinofsherwood.org/swords.html
Soldier of Aslan
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I like that Idea! A cloud could cover the camera, and then clear revealing London. It would also bring a bigger sense of Danger to the Ringing of the Bell on Charn, as the audience would have some kinda knowledge that Jadis wasn't one you'd like to meet alone.
You got it!
There are basically only two ways to adapt a previously published work to the screen - delve into the implied events while maintaining the overall integrity, or change things and add your own ideas. It never has to be the second.
Soldier of Aslan
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I'm sure they could also put a better set up between Digory, and Polly and their back story. In the book, Lewis's writing makes this oh-strange-boy-is-climbing-over-wall interesting. On film? I don't know. Perhaps they could show a bit before that. Lewis never explained why Digory was crying other than his unhappiness with his surrounding and his ill mother. Show Uncle Andrew saying something a bit cruel, that way we can relate to Digory's emotions and give a face to Uncle Andrew before they get into his private parlor/attic. Unless, so you think that will take too long to set up the story? I wouldn't want to Camelot it...
(FYI the first 30 minutes of Camelot (1967), is Arthur romancing Gwen. it gets pretty long and boring quickly)
TheWoodBetweenTheWorlds
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That is an incredible idea and it would be sooooo amazing to do the movie that way!
HighQueenKaty
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Why must they make MN next? I think they should get it SC over with before Will Poulter gets any older... He's already 19!! Any older and he could be Professer Kirke! (JK)
Mozart the Meerkitten
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I don't think he's 19. I think he's about Georgie's age, not exactly sure, but I never heard about him being that old.
They started with LWW and every time they made a movie that went forward in Narnian time it got less and less like the book. So it only makes sense to me if they are going in the OPPOSITE direction with an extremely early prequel, it would have to be so faithful to the book that it might even be MORE real than Lewis' own text!
They started with LWW and every time they made a movie that went forward in Narnian time it got less and less like the book. So it only makes sense to me if they are going in the OPPOSITE direction with an extremely early prequel, it would have to be so faithful to the book that it might even be MORE real than Lewis' own text!
I love your logic.
And I sincerely hope it's correct.
Ok, so I am all for them making another movie, but I do not feel that they are ready to do this particular one...