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Which Captain is best/your favorite?

  • Kirk, ToS

    Votes: 16 44.4%

  • Picard, TNG

    Votes: 8 22.2%

  • Sisko, DS9

    Votes: 5 13.9%

  • Janeway, Voyager

    Votes: 4 11.1%

  • Archer, Enterprise

    Votes: 3 8.3%

  • Other - state who in your post

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    36
I'm quite fond of TNG. The first season was a bit clunky, but when they hit their stride, I thought it was a nice program with an interesting cast that worked well together.

What is the one episode you like, AK?
 
I think it's called "Ethics", or something like that. I only caught about 35 minutes of it, but it's the one where Worf is paralyzed and wants to commit ritualistic suicide, but Riker makes this amazing/awesome speech about how he believes that Worf has the right to life like everyone else, regardless of ritual. They were, of course, trying to push the left wing agenda of the so called "right to die", but I think they made an equally appealing argument for wanting to live even if you're paralyzed or handicapped in some way.
 
Oh yes, I remember that one. The Klingon culture says if you can't be a warrior then you ought to be dead. That was a good one. The fact that the Klingon mandate was so over-the-top/universal (if you aren't healthy, you must die) made the "right to euthanasia" look weak. In general I think TNG had more of a pro-life/positive vibe than DS9 did, though, so that's not surprising. Although I like them both; I like DS9 nearly as well as TNG.
 
It's too bad that the writers of "Enterprise" were determined to go overboard in favor of the pro-death agenda. I refer to the episode in which Captain Archer and Doctor Phlox encountered a race that was suffering from a planet-wide plague....and they arrived at the "fabulous revelation" that this plague was a wonderful force for evolution! It was _supposed_ to weed out the "inferior," the "unevolved." So, being _entirely_ capable of curing all plague victims, they _intentionally_ withheld their help, so that the sacred cow of evolution would be served, and too bloody bad for all those inferior unevolved beings.

In other words, the script was relentlessly propagandizing FOR the same bigotry and elitism that Star Trek philosophy purports to be against.

That was when I lost my enthusiasm for the "Enterprise" series.
 
I remember that episode...but to be honest, it didn't bother me. I didn't feel like it was pushed more than any other left-wing agenda that you found in Voyager or TNG, though I think the episode of TNG I mentioned was much more forceful about the issue.

The one episode that did kind of bother me was Enterprise's Similitude, where they created a clone of Trip in order to harvest his brain tissue. That has been the only episode of Enterprise to make me cry, and I can only assume it's because Sim (Trip's clone) wanted so badly to live, but Archer only wanted him to die. I haven't been impressed with season 3 so far, and I'm on episode 16.
 
Aravis Kenobi said:
I remember that episode...but to be honest, it didn't bother me. I didn't feel like it was pushed more than any other left-wing agenda that you found in Voyager or TNG, though I think the episode of TNG I mentioned was much more forceful about the issue.

The one episode that did kind of bother me was Enterprise's Similitude, where they created a clone of Trip in order to harvest his brain tissue. That has been the only episode of Enterprise to make me cry, and I can only assume it's because Sim (Trip's clone) wanted so badly to live, but Archer only wanted him to die. I haven't been impressed with season 3 so far, and I'm on episode 16.
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ugh! I hate that episode Similitude. It's so barbaric!
 
Yes, I've been really confused as to Archer's "character" development. To me, at least all the other captains (Kirk, Picard, and Janeway) were consistent in how they treated other people. I can just imagine what Picard or Janeway would have done...which would probably have been NOT to create a Trip clone, or if they had let one be created, they wouldn't have forced it to die to save a crewmember. At least, I don't think so. Kirk may have, but I seriously doubt about Picard and Janeway.
 
So, I stayed up until about 9:30 last night finishing up the series. I pretty much sobbed (yes, I get kinda emotional during certain movies or shows) during Terra Prime, and I HATED, repeat, HATED These Are the Voyages. What a rip off! And it was such a pathetic excuse for a series finale! I hated how it was all a holodeck program; it made me feel like it was a sorry episode of TNG. And I cried somewhat when Trip died (though not nearly as much as I cried during Terra Prime; good grief, they sure knew how to get the emotions flowing on that one).

I still prefer the first 2 seasons of Enterprise, as both season 3 and season 4 got very weird, a little too sexualized for my tastes, and the storylines of some episodes (In a Mirror, Darkly, is one that instantly comes to mind) made absolutely no sense.
 
I voted Kirk favorite captain.

My favorite series has to be TOS, the later series seem somewhat boring to me, plus the TOS characters got 6 movies (7 counting Generations) compared to TNG's 4.

And of course TOS has better music (not counting the main title themes of the other series).

My favorite TOS movie has to be either Khan, or TMP.

The only TNG episodes I really like are the Data/Lore centered episodes.
 
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Welcome, Faleel. I agree wit you that Kirk and ToS are the tops, but I like the others well enough, except for Voyager and Enterprise which I haven't gotten into yet, but I hope to start watching them from the beginning on NetFlix.
 
I loved Enterprise until about the last few episodes of season 2. It started getting really sexual, and I just didn't care for it.

Though my favorite episode of the series I think was probably Terra Nova, where T'Pol and Trip's 'daughter' died. Oh my gosh, I was absolutely SOBBING during that episode. Oh and don't even get me started about the series finale. And I thought Dr. Quinn's was bad. :rolleyes:
 
Just finished watching Balance of Terror, pretty neat episode, though like most of TOS it had its cheesy moments (when the commander guy from that Starbase died, he reacted to the explosion a bit weirdly.)
 
Enterprise.

I didn't care for the series finale of Enterprise either. It really was a ripoff! You'd think they'll come up with a better idea for something so momentous as the founding of the United Federation of Planets. That was horrible.

In a Mirror, Darkly is something that the entire series could've done without. It added nothing to it and it was just stupid.

The only thing I guess I feel different about it from AK is that I did like most of the episodes of the 3rd and 4th seasons.
 
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BarbarianKing said:
I didn't care for the series finale of Enterprise either. It really was a ripoff! You'd think they'll come up with a better idea for something so momentous as the founding of the United Federation of Planes. That was horrible.

In a Mirror, Darkly is something that the entire series could've done without. It added nothing to it and it was just stupid.

The only thing I guess I feel different about it from AK is that I did like most of the episodes of the 3rd and 4th seasons.
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In a Mirror WAS stupid! What was the point? I can understand them wanting to do an alternate universe story, but really? I expected, as with all episodes like that, that the real crew of the Enterprise would discover the alternate universe and try to right it or something....but no. and yes, the founding of the United Federation of Planets was important, but they hardly gave it a nod.
 
I kinda/sorta watched the TOS episode "Mirror, Mirror", and could appreciate it even more after watching the Enterprise episode "In a Mirror, Darkly". Only I liked the TOS version much much better. :D
 
Aravis Kenobi said:
I kinda/sorta watched the TOS episode "Mirror, Mirror", and could appreciate it even more after watching the Enterprise episode "In a Mirror, Darkly". Only I liked the TOS version much much better. :D
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I haven't seen the Enterprise one, but I do like the ToS one. :)
 
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