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Which is your favorite?

  • Episode IV: A New Hope

  • Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back

  • Episode VI: Return of the Jedi

  • Episode I: The Phantom Menace

  • Episode II: Attack of the Clones

  • Episode III: Revenge of the Sith

  • Clone Wars Animated

  • Episode VII: The Force Awakens

  • Episode VIII: The Last Jedi

  • Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker


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I think Hayden is a good actor and could have done the job creditably if given the right material. The way the love story was presented was weak. The "promises" made -- that it might be possible to defeat death maybe this one time this one sith lord knew how -- were unconvincing in the extreme and only an idiot would have staked everything on that, which Vader didn't seem to be an idiot later on so I wonder why he was one back then...

It was just too easy for Anakin to turn evil; there seemed to be no struggle at all, and his only motivation was to protect his beloved from some bad dreams he had? That was all very poorly done, very weak story-telling, very bad character development. I can't blame Hayden because he didn't have anything to work with. If they had made the threat to Amidala more credible, even, but just some bad dreams? No, it doesn't work.
 
I think Hayden is a good actor and could have done the job creditably if given the right material. The way the love story was presented was weak. The "promises" made -- that it might be possible to defeat death maybe this one time this one sith lord knew how -- were unconvincing in the extreme and only an idiot would have staked everything on that, which Vader didn't seem to be an idiot later on so I wonder why he was one back then...

It was just too easy for Anakin to turn evil; there seemed to be no struggle at all, and his only motivation was to protect his beloved from some bad dreams he had? That was all very poorly done, very weak story-telling, very bad character development. I can't blame Hayden because he didn't have anything to work with. If they had made the threat to Amidala more credible, even, but just some bad dreams? No, it doesn't work.

After watching some of Natalie Portman's movies, I am beginning to think that she too is a horrible actor. Don't see any hope for her really. I think that if the first 3 (4-6) hadn't been numbered, Lucas might have made more than just 3 prequels. I think that the story deserved 5 movies, not just 3. Think of how much extra story that could have been inserted into those 2 extra movies. Character development would've been natural, gradual, and a whole lot slower. But now, we have the Clone Wars, and for me, that makes up for the disastrous prequels.
 
After watching some of Natalie Portman's movies, I am beginning to think that she too is a horrible actor. Don't see any hope for her really. I think that if the first 3 (4-6) hadn't been numbered, Lucas might have made more than just 3 prequels. I think that the story deserved 5 movies, not just 3. Think of how much extra story that could have been inserted into those 2 extra movies. Character development would've been natural, gradual, and a whole lot slower. But now, we have the Clone Wars, and for me, that makes up for the disastrous prequels.
I agree, an extra couple movies would have been able to explain Anakin's seduction to the dark side much better; it felt forced and hurried in the two final prequels. :(
 
I agree with Aravis here. The story could have been much more if there would have been much more time spent on it.
I loved Ani too and I still believe his walk over to the dark side was not okay. By this I mean it was unlogical. He knew palpatine's true ID and he warned Windu and all of a sudden Sidious clicked his fingers so to speak and Ani hoped over. This doesn't make sense because a few moments before he did justice by telling Windu about Palpatine. And then he suddenly turned over. There could have been added much more depth to the story.
 
I agree with Aravis here. The story could have been much more if there would have been much more time spent on it.
I loved Ani too and I still believe his walk over to the dark side was not okay. By this I mean it was unlogical. He knew palpatine's true ID and he warned Windu and all of a sudden Sidious clicked his fingers so to speak and Ani hoped over. This doesn't make sense because a few moments before he did justice by telling Windu about Palpatine. And then he suddenly turned over. There could have been added much more depth to the story.
Exactly, that's exactly how it felt, he just turned for very little reason,no depth to the development of the story.

Nice to see you here too, Vanessa! :)
 
My husband likes to say that the romantic dialog in the prequels makes it easy to see why Lucas's marriage failed. :p

Okay, that's kind of mean, but I think we can agree that George was not really the best writer of these films. His ideas were epic and all, but he should have gotten someone else to do the actual writing. Never having seen Hayden Christiansen in anything else, I came away thinking he was a terrible actor. I have seen Natalie Portman in other things and liked her, but in this - they were both wooden as puppets. I never for one second believed someone as mature and experienced as Padme would be attracted to a whining brat like Anakin - nor did I find it at ALL believable that ten years (or whatever it was) of Jedi training couldn't have cured Anakin of those kinds of attitudes, or at least behavior. Jedi training looks kind of like a weird combination of brutally difficult military training and zen-like philosophy, and I don't know any zen monks or marines who act the way he does. It was SO disappointing.

Their age difference already made their attraction difficult to swallow - I had hoped, after episode one, that we were going to see this very suave, controlled, mature, disciplined Anakin in episode two, someone who seemed so much older-than-his-years due to his rigorous training (remember he had to make up for lost time because of his age) that you could actually believe an intelligent, sophisticated woman four years his senior would be attracted to him. Instead we are treated to someone who, in Padme's own words, "will always be that little boy on Tatooine." Please. I always felt like he was using her to replace the mother figure in his life, and she didn't do much to deflate that idea.

Padme's character seemed to get weaker and weaker as the series went on. Even her voice changed from eps 1 to 2, from strong and commanding to soft and breathy. I get that George was trying to show how she'd turned into this desirable young woman, but I spent the whole film wanting to punch her in the gut so she'd speak from the diaphram.

I don't mind the idea of Ani's fear of losing Padme being his primary motivation to turn to the dark side, but it was not developed well at all. There was no inner conflict; there was always just Anakin being a brat. He was a brat when he was a Jedi, a brat when he was on the council, a brat in every encounter with Obi-Wan, and it didn't take much to transfer his brattiness over. The only wonder is that he didn't do it sooner, or that the Jedi council didn't recognize years before that he was always going to be a problem and kick him out. Maybe they did, and figured it was best to keep friends close and enemies closer.

It's funny how fired-up we fans get about this stuff. I think those of us who remember the old films with such fondness and looked forward to the prequels so eagerly are always going to be a little bitter about what might have been.

I'm with you, Inky. Yoda is my reason for watching the prequels at all.
 
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Very good points, Sunrise and Chakotay. I still do not like Anakin's fear of losing Amidala as the motivation for his going to the dark side, but especialy not because it was so very poorly developed or, you would say, not developed at alll. And yes, I think his character was altogether poorly done. I blame the writing and direction, but maybe just because I like Hayden.

And yah, seeing Yoda do his stuff in the prequels is just awesome; he was my favorite in the original trilogy, but we didn't get to see him fight until the prequels, and he was awesome!
 
Are there any critiques on a book by James Luceno called "Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader" out there? I have just started the book and wondered if anyone else has read it before. It's supposed to take place immediately after Episode III, Revenge of the Sith.
 
I visited The Science Fiction Museum today. I was privileged to see replicas of R2D2, a Storm Trooper, A miniature of the mighty Death Star and other assorted Star Wars paraphernalia. :)
 
Are there any critiques on a book by James Luceno called "Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader" out there? I have just started the book and wondered if anyone else has read it before. It's supposed to take place immediately after Episode III, Revenge of the Sith.

Never heard of the book, sorry. :) I don't read much STar Wars; I've read 2 books that I'd recommend: Life and Legend of Obi-Wan Kenobi and Secrets of the Jedi. Both are fairly short and kinda sketchy, so don't buy them unless you can find them pretty cheap.

Wow, Sunrise, you put a lot into one post! I agree with everything you said. And my favorite character is Obi-Wan. Obviously. I mean, who doesn't love the best Jedi ever? :D
 
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