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Which is your favorite?

  • Episode IV: A New Hope

  • Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back

  • Episode VI: Return of the Jedi

  • Episode I: The Phantom Menace

  • Episode II: Attack of the Clones

  • Episode III: Revenge of the Sith

  • Clone Wars Animated

  • Episode VII: The Force Awakens

  • Episode VIII: The Last Jedi

  • Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker

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To my great delight I have learned the Jedi are not primarily based on Shaolin Monks! The Jedi are more closely based on The Christian Military Orders in the Holy Land during the Crusades. The Jedi clearly act like a military order, which were monastic and yet fought defensively in battle. Military orders like The Knights Templar had a council and a Grand Master. The Jedi have masters and council. Even the title knight is in the Jedi Order. Obi Wan Kenobi says in Episode IV: "Your uncle feared I would lead you on some idealistic crusade." This could have been a subtle hint from George Lucas. The robes and garments of the Jedi better match the Samurai without their thick mounted armor and monks from The Middle Ages.

All of this information comes from Star Wars in History. When I have the revenue, I intend to buy a copy. :)
 
Lucas also claims that Sith, like Christians, are the only ones who believe in absolutes. But then, Obi-Wan saying that IS an absolute! So his diss, while it's there, loses its sting.
 
The counter argument to Obi-Wan Kenobi is to say the Jedi believe in absolutes. After all the Jedi believe you can't use Bogan or The Dark Side. The Jedi claim only Ashla or The Light Side is permissible and that is an absolute. I think Lucas in The Original Trilogy had more Judeo-Christian belief and symbolism, while in contrast The Prequels are steeped in New Age and Buddhist philosophies.
 
Sir Godfrey said:
The counter argument to Obi-Wan Kenobi is to say the Jedi believe in absolutes. After all the Jedi believe you can't use Bogan or The Dark Side. The Jedi claim only Ashla or The Light Side is permissible and that is an absolute. I think Lucas in The Original Trilogy had more Judeo-Christian belief and symbolism, while in contrast The Prequels are steeped in New Age and Buddhist philosophies.
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Interesting conversation you guys have here. I didn't know all that, only because I haven't taken the time to read about it.
 
Actually I think Sir G has read more than I have about the EU and such...I'm only now starting to get more into Star Wars than I had been. Maybe it's because I've pretty much seen all the Trek series, so I have to feed my other nerd obsession. :p

I don't really know if I agree that the OT has more Christian principles...but Lucas has said several times how he believes that "all religions are true".

Anyway. I'm making my way back through The Clone Wars, and finding that I'm enjoying it much more the second time around than I did watching it originally. Of course, I'm still sad that the series has ended. Disney ended it much too soon.
 
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Actually I think Sir G has read more than I have about the EU and such...I'm only now starting to get more into Star Wars than I had been. Maybe it's because I've pretty much seen all the Trek series, so I have to feed my other nerd obsession. :p

I don't really know if I agree that the OT has more Christian principles...but Lucas has said several times how he believes that "all religions are true".

Anyway. I'm making my way back through The Clone Wars, and finding that I'm enjoying it much more the second time around than I did watching it originally. Of course, I'm still sad that the series has ended. Disney ended it much too soon.
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The OT has message that is more easily interpreted as Judeo-Christian because it was written by Joseph Campbell who wrote The Hero Cycle & Philosophy. Joseph is not a Christian, but his philosophy is accessible to anyone. The Prequels on the other hand draw heavily from the Shaolin and Buddhist philosophy. Joseph Campbell's Hero Cycle is in Arthurian Legend and Greek Tragedies. His philosophy doesn't contradict the Bible, it is more of general cycle: The hero is discovered, the hero is mentored, the mentor dies or leaves, the hero confronts evil (usually in extrinsic form and then intrinsic form), the hero is victorious.
 
To me you can find OT values in anything if you look hard enough, because whether people like to admit it or not, moral law has basis in God's laws.

Anyway. just 3 days away from the release of "Kenobi". I'm sad to say I won't be able to read it right away since I don't have the money (that's a sore issue with me at the moment). Somebody will need to read it and review it here! :)
 
Aravis Kenobi said:
To me you can find OT values in anything if you look hard enough, because whether people like to admit it or not, moral law has basis in God's laws.

Anyway. just 3 days away from the release of "Kenobi". I'm sad to say I won't be able to read it right away since I don't have the money (that's a sore issue with me at the moment). Somebody will need to read it and review it here! :)
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That is actually almost exactly was George Lucas said. His intention was for anyone to be able to connect to the Hero's Journey in Star Wars and decide what The Force is to them. One of my teachers claims this is corrupt idea and that we who are fans have been beguiled and bewitched by a lie. I say, if you can interpret the Truth and take as you said moral law of God from it, then why not enjoy it? J.R.R. Tolkien said, "there is only one story, the one that has been retold since the beginning. People are telling that story wither they know it or not." Tolkien was referring to the Bible and how authors and filmmakers are always telling Biblical truths and allegories because they cannot escape it. God has influenced everything. Like Jonah, not even the atheists or agnostics can avoid Him.
 
So, I found this article tonight. This author lists several characters he thinks deserves their own origin film.

Agree or disagree with his picks? Which characters do YOU want to see in their own movie?

http://www.ign.com/blogs/chief_rocka/2013/09/13/star-wars-characters-that-deserve-origin-films/

I agree with most of these, though I can't imagine going to see a Yoda film. Yoda has never been a character I liked, and frankly he gets on my nerves if he's on screen too long. I would add to this guy's list Jango Fett and Obi-Wan. I feel like both films would probably be good box office successes, as there's a lot of fan interest in the Fetts. I don't even have to mention Obi-Wan's popularity. I'd love to see Ewan McGregor back in Jedi robes, but I'd also love an origin film of his to include Siri Tachi. That would be the only thing I'd worry about them leaving out, but if it was included, I'd be all in. I feel like her part in his life is important in learning how he was able to be so apparently dispassionate.

Jango is one character I'd like to see get his own movie because I just feel like there could have been so much to his character, but he got such bad treatment in Attack of the Clones. I'd also like to say: I think you can only do a Jango film if Temuera Morrison were to reprise the role. And I think a lot of fans would be happy if Daniel Logan were to come back in a Boba Fett movie. I would be.
 
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So, I found this article tonight. This author lists several characters he thinks deserves their own origin film.

Agree or disagree with his picks? Which characters do YOU want to see in their own movie?

http://www.ign.com/blogs/chief_rocka/2013/09/13/star-wars-characters-that-deserve-origin-films/

I agree with most of these, though I can't imagine going to see a Yoda film. Yoda has never been a character I liked, and frankly he gets on my nerves if he's on screen too long. I would add to this guy's list Jango Fett and Obi-Wan. I feel like both films would probably be good box office successes, as there's a lot of fan interest in the Fetts. I don't even have to mention Obi-Wan's popularity. I'd love to see Ewan McGregor back in Jedi robes, but I'd also love an origin film of his to include Siri Tachi. That would be the only thing I'd worry about them leaving out, but if it was included, I'd be all in. I feel like her part in his life is important in learning how he was able to be so apparently dispassionate.

Jango is one character I'd like to see get his own movie because I just feel like there could have been so much to his character, but he got such bad treatment in Attack of the Clones. I'd also like to say: I think you can only do a Jango film if Temuera Morrison were to reprise the role. And I think a lot of fans would be happy if Daniel Logan were to come back in a Boba Fett movie. I would be.
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A Jango Fett film would be a big success. The Jango Fett Video Game and comic series were very popular. It would be interesting to see George Lucas' Galaxy, far far away through the eyes of bounty hunter and Mandalorian. I own the complete Jango Fett Graphic Novel/Comic Series and it really was fascinating to see how he became the infamous precursor and forshadowing of Boba Fett.

An Obi-Wan film would be quite amusing. I would prefer it to cover his exile on Tatooine and possible excursions on other planets to connect and protect the Jedi Remnant. As for Obi-Wan story covering pre-Episode I or during the Clone Wars, I would not be interested. I am frankly finished with the Clone Wars era and would prefer a post Galactic Empire and Old Republic spin off.
 
Sir Godfrey said:
A Jango Fett film would be a big success. The Jango Fett Video Game and comic series were very popular. It would be interesting to see George Lucas' Galaxy, far far away through the eyes of bounty hunter and Mandalorian. I own the complete Jango Fett Graphic Novel/Comic Series and it really was fascinating to see how he became the infamous precursor and forshadowing of Boba Fett.
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You think so? I figured Boba would be a huge draw, but Jango is one of those characters that's iffy, even though I think he kind of has a cult following (if you will). I'd see a movie with him in it, for sure.

An Obi-Wan film would be quite amusing. I would prefer it to cover his exile on Tatooine and possible excursions on other planets to connect and protect the Jedi Remnant. As for Obi-Wan story covering pre-Episode I or during the Clone Wars, I would not be interested. I am frankly finished with the Clone Wars era and would prefer a post Galactic Empire and Old Republic spin off.
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Most fans would probably agree with you. If anything from pre-Episode 3 were to be included, it'd be ideal in flashbacks only, not a full fledged film. I feel like there wouldn't be enough interest there, especially since the Clone Wars series has already been done. I haven't yet read it, but they could always adapt the book "Kenobi". It covers the period most fans are the most curious about.
 
Aravis Kenobi said:
You think so? I figured Boba would be a huge draw, but Jango is one of those characters that's iffy, even though I think he kind of has a cult following (if you will). I'd see a movie with him in it, for sure.



Most fans would probably agree with you. If anything from pre-Episode 3 were to be included, it'd be ideal in flashbacks only, not a full fledged film. I feel like there wouldn't be enough interest there, especially since the Clone Wars series has already been done. I haven't yet read it, but they could always adapt the book "Kenobi". It covers the period most fans are the most curious about.
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Well technically Jango is Boba and Boba is Jango. So it really doesn't matter if Boba is absent, because Jango is the real Boba. Clones always equal confusion. :D XD

I think the Clone Wars has been demystified and the wonder is now lost. I remember when Kenobi tells Luke that he fought in Clone Wars and you got sense of a time like that of the Middle Ages, when knights fought in great wars. Now I know it is merely a period when Anakin babysat Asoka and Jedi were mostly invincible. The only redemption was the Clone Wars graphic novelizations that depicted a very dark, dystopian, and dangerous period when Anakin & Obi, and other Jedi were thrust into conflict reminiscent of the Mandalorian Wars.

Regarding "Kenobi'," I picked up a copy and skimmed it at my local B&N. I was quite disappointed at the lack of epic feel. It felt like so many spin off novelizations that really should be in Hallmark-predictable section. I wanted Kenobi's exile to be balance of the mundane (shadowing the Lars family, and spending time at his hermitage to purge his identity) and encountering perhaps survivors of the Jedi Order and even reuniting, even if only for brief moment with Vader. It would be even great is Obi while he is escaping looks at Anakin in his new suite and squints, as if in the Force he feels something familiar, but he does not recognize his former friend turned foe.
 
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On a somewhat unrelated note:

"8 Reasons why 'Star Wars VII' is Destined to Please":

http://wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/...pisode-vii-is-destined-to-please.html/?ref=YF

Agree? Disagree? Is Abrams even the right choice for the film? Since he's said that he actually likes this franchise (he doesn't even like Star Trek), I feel a little better with him helming the project. Provided, of course, someone keeps lens flares out of his grasp. :rolleyes:
 
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Aravis Kenobi said:
On a somewhat unrelated note:

"8 Reasons why 'Star Wars VII' is Destined to Please":

http://wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/...pisode-vii-is-destined-to-please.html/?ref=YF

Agree? Disagree? Is Abrams even the right choice for the film? Since he's said that he actually likes this franchise (he doesn't even like Star Trek), I feel a little better with him helming the project. Provided, of course, someone keeps lens flares out of his grasp. :rolleyes:
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I am frankly concerned that Abrams is at the helm. He could end up being an Ahab and sink the saga. If Abrams decides to follow the Expanded Universe narrative he has chance to prove my skepticism wrong, but if he dares try and do an 'alternate universe' story arch, then I shall abandon ship and say fare well to a galaxy, far, far away...
 
He could. But I suppose the one ray of optimism here is that he is a pretty die-hard SW fan. Who better to rejuvenate the series than a die-hard fan?

In other news, would like to share this interesting article about two students who have basically created a real life lightsaber! http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugge...ce-create-real-life-lightsaber-223711142.html

And, would also like to say I have several books queued up in my Kindle. Not only do I have Kenobi on my list, but I also have the newest book by Martha Wells, "Razor's Edge: Empire and Rebellion", as well as a short story called "The Hive". Hoping to start one of these tomorrow, just not sure which one I want to read first!
 
Abrams claims to be a die hard fan, but time will only tell if that is pro or a con. I frankly remain in the cautiously skeptical disposition because I think nothing can surpass the OT and as I aforementioned, Abrams is not my pick for director.

Moving on in other news, I reunited with a friend at Barnes and Noble and we talked a while. He is die hard SW fan and is slowly putting together a deluxe Darth Vader suite. A complete Deluxe Vader Suites run at around $5,000-$7,000. My friend has acquired his lightsaber and mask. He intends to purchase the voice changer last (he wants the expensive one that sounds like James Earl Jones). I think it is admirable he is building his own costume. I find it a costume built over time is more satisfying then getting a whole one at a hefty price. You get to personalize it and pick every piece with meticulous and even perfectionist detail. The suite I know will matter much more to my friend because he built it over a period of time. I cannot wait to one day see him in full garb. Perhaps I shall be able to afford Luke Skywalker ROTJ Outfit (Deo Volente). :)
 
Sir Godfrey said:
Abrams claims to be a die hard fan, but time will only tell if that is pro or a con. I frankly remain in the cautiously skeptical disposition because I think nothing can surpass the OT and as I aforementioned, Abrams is not my pick for director.
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Good points. It could be good, or it could be really bad. I think that in reference to your final sentence, however, this was the main problem with the NT. People were expecting it to be just like the OT...but it wasn't. I'm not saying the NT doesn't have its flaws (it has plenty of them, I assure you), but I think its downfall was people who loved the OT and the NT just didn't fulfill their expectations. This is the major thing going against any new film to come; there will be a lot of people who expect it to be as good as the OT, but I think they could be disappointed if they don't give Abrams some flexibility with the story.

Moving on in other news, I reunited with a friend at Barnes and Noble and we talked a while. He is die hard SW fan and is slowly putting together a deluxe Darth Vader suite. A complete Deluxe Vader Suites run at around $5,000-$7,000. My friend has acquired his lightsaber and mask. He intends to purchase the voice changer last (he wants the expensive one that sounds like James Earl Jones). I think it is admirable he is building his own costume. I find it a costume built over time is more satisfying then getting a whole one at a hefty price. You get to personalize it and pick every piece with meticulous and even perfectionist detail. The suite I know will matter much more to my friend because he built it over a period of time. I cannot wait to one day see him in full garb. Perhaps I shall be able to afford Luke Skywalker ROTJ Outfit (Deo Volente). :)
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Gracious. I'm not quite that die-hard, though I imagine it's quite rewarding when you're finished putting it all together.
 
Here's part of an official statement from Lucasfilm/Star Wars on the issue:

In order to give maximum creative freedom to the filmmakers and also preserve an element of surprise and discovery for the audience, Star Wars Episodes VII-IX will not tell the same story told in the post-Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe. While the universe that readers knew is changing, it is not being discarded. Creators of new Star Wars entertainment have full access to the rich content of the Expanded Universe. For example, elements of the EU are included in Star Wars Rebels.
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-http://starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page.html

Personally, this confuses me. While I thought they were discarding the existing EU, this says they are not. Yet, all new EU will be printed under the 'Legends' banner. Am I just not reading this right or something?
 
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