The Lord of the Rings- J.R.R. Tolkien

Arvan said:
You have a point, but I would add that while reinventing the wheel is not necessary in literature, it is better to adjust an old, nearly forgotten wheel than one that was just published (making the Narnia films "more like Harry Potter" is not a wise idea, but making the Hobbit more like Arthurian legends might be).
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I disagree. If it's not in the book/storyline, don't put it in. I don't understand the attraction of people making up stuff because it looks "romantic" to them. Just let it alone for once, sheesh. It's like the whole William Moseley/Anna Popplewell thing. Fans of that pairing seem to read more into how Anna looks at him in the Narnia movies instead of just leaving it alone. They claim she always looked at him in a "romantic" way rather than a platonic way. Give me a break.

I honestly would rather wait and see what that scene entails before saying, "oh, there's a romantic interest thing goin on there!" and basing it on what Tolkien liked rather than seeing the actual scene in context.
 
Besides, Galadriel and her husband have a pretty romantic story line. She is exiled for the "crimes" of her and her brothers and yet, Celeborn loves her none-the-less. He protects her and stands by her even though she is a woman of power who is stuck in a forest. That is quite romantic, if you ask me. :)
 
fernshirehobbit said:
Besides, Galadriel and her husband have a pretty romantic story line. She is exiled for the "crimes" of her and her brothers and yet, Celeborn loves her none-the-less. He protects her and stands by her even though she is a woman of power who is stuck in a forest. That is quite romantic, if you ask me. :)
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I really need to try to read the Sil. Is that where all this is coming from? And I wonder if it'll ever be made into a movie/series of movies.
 
Yes, from the Sil. Arg! I hope it's never made... It's a beautiful book... but there is so much potential for it to be made wrong... and it's a creation tale so it is likely that modern film producers/screen writers would change it up and ruin it... and there are some parts that just shouldn't be filmed... great book though. :rolleyes:
 
Arvan said:
You have a point, but I would add that while reinventing the wheel is not necessary in literature, it is better to adjust an old, nearly forgotten wheel than one that was just published (making the Narnia films "more like Harry Potter" is not a wise idea, but making the Hobbit more like Arthurian legends might be).
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I concur in regards to Harry Potter. Tolkien took mythos, legends, and ideas from the great classics of literature. He was wise to avoid implimenting anything contemporary (aside from his own inventions) into his work. In my opinion most of greatest works that could be written have been published. Most authors merely write shadows and echoes of former glory. Only a once in a while does diamond lie in rough and we find at last a book that is worthy to stand with the classics. I measure all fantasy by the titans C.S. Lewis and J.R.R Tolkien. To me their works are bibles in which all fantasy must be tested by.
 
Sir Godfrey said:
I measure all fantasy by the titans C.S. Lewis and J.R.R Tolkien. To me their works are bibles in which all fantasy must be tested by.
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Agreed in full.

I think that it would be pretty much impossible to adapt the Sil to film; it spans way to much time and has too many characters! There's potential for many films from that one book... but I don't think any such films should actually be made.
 
Arvan said:
Agreed in full.

I think that it would be pretty much impossible to adapt the Sil to film; it spans way to much time and has too many characters! There's potential for many films from that one book... but I don't think any such films should actually be made.
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If the Sil was adapted it would need to be in three parts: The Fall (the fall of Melkor and Feanor), The Children of Hurin, and The Decline of Numenor.
 
Arvan said:
Agreed in full.

I think that it would be pretty much impossible to adapt the Sil to film; it spans way to much time and has too many characters! There's potential for many films from that one book... but I don't think any such films should actually be made.
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I dunno. Someone said that Lord of the Rings might have been better served as a miniseries...maybe they could make the Sil into a long miniseries. It would prevent them from having to pick and choose what to make, and might be a little cheaper than a movie.
 
Aravis Kenobi said:
I dunno. Someone said that Lord of the Rings might have been better served as a miniseries...maybe they could make the Sil into a long miniseries. It would prevent them from having to pick and choose what to make, and might be a little cheaper than a movie.
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Or in regards to LOTR, had Peter Jackson been able to do what he is doing now with The Hobbit and split each of the three films into two parts as it is in the books ( with some obvious shuffling of the structure in TTT and ROTK, so it isn't TTT part one all Aragorn, Legolas and GImli with no Frodo and Sam interspliced. ) However I think even if it were a mini-series audiences would still be confused by Tom Bombadil.

But I agree on Silmarillion. Especially since each of the chapters are seperate stories that are not really connected. For example one arc could be the Children of Hurin, say episodes 8-10 and The tale of Beren and Luthien as episodes 11-13. Now THAT would be Must See TV.
 
I really think that if LOTR is ever remade (may it be a looong time), it should be done in six parts rather than three. And there's titles for them already:

Return of the Shadow
The Fellowship of the Ring
The Treason of Isengard
The Two Towers
The War of the Ring
The Return of the King

Only problem is that it costs way more, and you need even more "stopping points". The book just leaves you hanging, but you can't do too much of that in a movie.
 
Arvan said:
I really think that if LOTR is ever remade (may it be a looong time), it should be done in six parts rather than three. And there's titles for them already:

Return of the Shadow
The Fellowship of the Ring
The Treason of Isengard
The Two Towers
The War of the Ring
The Return of the King

Only problem is that it costs way more, and you need even more "stopping points". The book just leaves you hanging, but you can't do too much of that in a movie.
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There is a rumor of an extended extended version of the films. However, this alledged copy remains obsured from the public. I wonder if next year they shall release it around the time the Hobbit is in theaters. :D
 
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RotK might have felt like it had less endings if they had put in the Scouring of Shire to separate them. But then it would also feel longer.
 
Arvan said:
RotK might have felt like it had less endings if they had put in the Scouring of Shire to separate them. But then it would also feel longer.
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I was quite disspointed the Scouring of the Shire wasn't adapted. Sharkey's dominion over the Shire shows that no part of Middle Earth is untouched by evil. That all the free realms of Arda must endure the tempest of darkness.
 
It's perhaps my favorite part of the book, but I really can't see how it could have been done without making RotK WAY too long.
 
The main reason they didn't adapt The Scouring of the Shire is because they felt like you couldn't end the last movie with the deaths of two main characters. 'Course, they also didn't open RotK with the death of Saruman and Wormtongue in the theatrical edition for almost the exact same reason! :rolleyes: (You can't open the movie with such a climax, they reasoned).

All in all, that scene in the extended edition I think did two things: one, it explained what happens to Saruman and Wormtongue, along with how Pippin ended up with the Palantir. Second, it adapted a scene almost straight out of The Two Towers (book) with the dialogue. All things considered, I think the fact that the Hobbits were involved in the battles (or at least Merry and Pippin) showed that innocence will always be stolen by war, even from people who don't want to be involved (remember, Pippin was in favor of hightailing it out of MInas Tirith after their confrontation with Denethor). I know that it doesn't stand in the place of a scene, or series of scenes, but you could think of it in that way. ;)
 
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