The Series is threatened.

^^ME TOO. It's (SATC) so demeaning, disgraceful, and an insult to human (and female) intelligence and worth and dignity. :eek:

EDIT: I quote myself from another thread:

"YES. "Good Narnian chilvary" wins over sex-pots and greed and Manolo Blahniks EVERY TIME.

Who wants to call out Peter, Edmund, or Caspian to show them a thing or two? (Or Susan and her bow paired with her stare/glare. Lol.) Or Lucy and her quiet valor. And that snazzy little dagger of hers... heehee.

Hey....

Who else thinks Reepicheep would give "Carrie and the girls" a run for their money? (and their high heels and "meaningful relationships with men" )
Or...the time of their lives? HAHA. They'd probably be terrified of mice, especially Talking, feather-wearing, noble, valiant, sword-wielding Mice!!"
 
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Daishi said:
Honestly I think the big punch to Narnia's gut was Indiana Jones the next week. Indy's had one of the biggest openings ever. There's tons of parents out there who remember vividly the first trilogy. I mean heck, even the final Rocky and Rambo movies did well, and those petered out as series. Indy went out strong. So one thing to consider as well is that America's dollar is weak right now, our economy just isnt strong. With less cash to spend Indy's soaking up the dollars.
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I definitely agree. I think it may have been poor planning on Disney's part by releasing the film right before Indiana Jones. Maybe if it had released later in the summer it would have done better?

Personally, I think the film was amazing. I liked it way more than the first one.
 
It is an incorrect either-or, which I have already answered many times, to claim that there must EITHER be no changes at all, or else RUINOUS changes.

I am not saying, have not been saying, that the film needed to be an exact copy of the book. I could handle Caspian being older, and Susan being attracted to him. I could handle Jadis actually appearing; in fact, she looked the most beautiful I ever saw her. It didn't bother me a bit for them to make Glozelle the first Telmarine to volunteer to step through the dimensional gate. But some thematically revisionist changes they made violated the very SPIRIT of the book, in ways that WERE NOT needed to make the story more exciting. There WAS NO need to make Peter so immature and quarrelsome, there just wasn't. And there WAS NO need to contradict Aslan's nature as Almighty God by having Him include Himself in ignorance when He told Lucy "WE will never know..."

As I said, I went to another screening out of loyalty, trying to see things more positively. I couldn't come up with much, except to say that at least in the quarrel after the failed raid, it was Caspian and not Peter who first whipped out a sword in anger.
 
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Wow, a few select people really aren't happy with that one line.

Remember, this is a movie that released to the public as a whole. So, it has to be politically correct. That's just how it is.
 
you know, "we" is sometimes used in conversation in place of "you," but serves same function as "you," not "we." ie: mom to child: "what are we doing here?" she's not doing anything, she's asking her child what they are doing, say in their room. My parents do this all the time. I've even begun to. :eek:

Maybe that's all the line is? We, referring to them, not Aslan? I don't think they meant to strip Him of His omniscience.
 
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That was really inspiring I must say. :D
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LOL Thanks... I'm glad!

I really hope the new director doesn't screw things up with the new movie. I have yet to hear his views on the whole series and If he too feels resentment towards the spiritual elements found in the story I'm afraid I'm going to have problems with the next film.
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I don't think that he'll resent the spiritual side. He's the director from Amazing Grace which, as I understand, has very spiritual elements.

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That's right! All you Brits, Aussies, and Kiwis... *glares*...the future of Narnia depends on you!
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Yes!!! *getsdownonknees* Please!!!!

redlady20 said:
I definitely agree. I think it may have been poor planning on Disney's part by releasing the film right before Indiana Jones. Maybe if it had released later in the summer it would have done better?
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Maybe so... *sigh* But we can't change that now. We can only try to make up for the incompetence of certain corperations and hope for the best.
 
No, it's not just how it is. They could have just left their view of Aslan's identity unsaid, but they made a POINT of diminishing Aslan. Throughout the Narnian books, Aslan's omniscience is as well understood as His omnipotence. This was an intentional change, and it was not necessary.
 
Lady of the Lion's Mane said:
you know, "we" is sometimes used in conversation in place of "you," but serves same function as "you," not "we." ie: mom to child: "what are we doing here?" she's not doing anything, she's asking her child what they are doing, say in their room. My parents do this all the time. I've even begun to. :eek:

Maybe that's all the line is? We, referring to them, not Aslan? I don't think they meant to strip Him of His omniscience.
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That's an excellent point!
 
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Throughout the Narnian books, Aslan's omniscience is as well understood as His omnipotence. This was an intentional change, and it was not necessary.
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Interesting! I remember the BBC version doing something similar in LWW. Lucy and Susan ask Aslan after his return, "you mean we've been crying all night and you knew all along that you wouldn't die?" (something of the sort). Aslan replies something like that he couldn't be sure. It was a very old, deep magic more powerful than he.

I assumed he was referring to the Emperor Beyond the Seas. Which I thought made it an even more Christian parallel to Jesus' crucification. (Isn't there something about Jesus saying "Lord, why have You forsaken me?" because Jesus was not Omniscient as the Father?) But then, I get very confused about the Christian delination between God Almighty and Jesus Christ. Forgive me if I'm making a complete hash of things. I am very curious but it's a foreign religion to me.
 
Lady of the Lion's Mane said:
you know, "we" is sometimes used in conversation in place of "you," but serves same function as "you," not "we." ie: mom to child: "what are we doing here?" she's not doing anything, she's asking her child what they are doing, say in their room. My parents do this all the time. I've even begun to. :eek:

Maybe that's all the line is? We, referring to them, not Aslan? I don't think they meant to strip Him of His omniscience.
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That is a very good point!! That's what I sort of got from it too, and I am going to think of it in that light.
 
Copperfox said:
It is an incorrect either-or, which I have already answered many times, to claim that there must EITHER be no changes at all, or else RUINOUS changes.

I am not saying, have not been saying, that the film needed to be an exact copy of the book. I could handle Caspian being older, and Susan being attracted to him. I could handle Jadis actually appearing; in fact, she looked the most beautiful I ever saw her. It didn't bother me a bit for them to make Glozelle the first Telmarine to volunteer to step through the dimensional gate. But some thematically revisionist changes they made violated the very SPIRIT of the book, in ways that WERE NOT needed to make the story more exciting. There WAS NO need to make Peter so immature and quarrelsome, there just wasn't. And there WAS NO need to contradict Aslan's nature as Almighty God by having Him include Himself in ignorance when He told Lucy "WE will never know..."

As I said, I went to another screening out of loyalty, trying to see things more positively. I couldn't come up with much, except to say that at least in the quarrel after the failed raid, it was Caspian and not Peter who first whipped out a sword in anger.
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Dude get over your self people who cant watch a good movie kill it for others
 
to saira: we, as humans, will have no way of knowing how fully Jesus understood or was aware of His Divinity, etc before His Crucifixion/Resurrection. I believe that once He was Risen, He knew and saw and understood all things, etc. He was fully human and fully Divine. This means He of course would have emotions and fears, etc. He even asked that "this bitter cup be taken from Him," but if it was His Father's will, then He would still do it. (referring to His impending death)
"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Can we even begin to imagine what he was feeling, thinking, etc while hanging on that Cross????
He was experiencing normal human feelings of abandonment, near despair, extreme pain, etc.

He still said "Abba, Father!"

"Into your Hands I commend my spirit."

I am no theologian. I am not God. Jesus is the Son of God and the 2nd Person of the Holy Trinity. Fully God and fully man.
I think we cannot CANNOT say for sure just how much the Father allowed Him to see, know, etc prior to His Resurrection, which you could say served as Jesus becoming fully Himself. (Just as we will become fully ourselves after death.)

So..........idk, these are just my theological babblings. God is Infinite. Jesus is fully God and fully man. He is not the Father (Emperor-Over-Sea). Jesus experienced all human temptations and weaknesses and hurts and joys; He just never sinned.

I think what you brought up is something we should "let be." Stop our driving need to KNOW everything about God, and just let Him be God. In so seeking to know all about Him, we strip Him of His mystery, etc. We will NEVER be able to get our minds around Him. Putting a box around Him does not do. Let go and let God.

Sorry for my rambling. This really belongs in the Christianity forum.
 
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Back on topic: I don't think they will pull the switch just yet, I think that they will see what money they pull in on this one and if it is less than LWW, they will deal with it accordingly for VotDT. They will market up VotDT as something from a new director, possibly change the date of release to something less summery. I think that they will at least go ahead with VotDT since they have already spent money on it, so, I think we need to worry more about VotDT returns. If Disney pulls the plug, who is to say that Walden will not carry it on.
 
gogogoff said:
Dude get over your self people who cant watch a good movie kill it for others
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I believe Copperfox has stated on other threads some of the aspects that he did like about the movie. Just because he's vocal about the aspects that he didn't like, and I don't blame him, doesn't mean he "can't watch a good movie."

On another note, now that I know Michael Apted (sp?) was the one that directed Amazing Graze I feel a lot more relieved about him directing VODT!
 
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^I'm sorry. I was just trying to figure out if there was a Christian backlash to the film (thus its sinking success) and if so, why? since as an outsider, Aslan seems remarkably Jesus-like. Clearly, the situation is a good deal more complicated than I could expect to understand.

As it stands, I do so hope PC sales pick up a bit. But there seems no reason to whatwith the outstanding success of Iron Man, Indy, and SnC. What, is Speedracer the only summer flop so far?

With Wall-E and Kung Fu Panda coming out, it does seem as the children's corner is completely covered already. And really, PC seems more appropriate to big kids/preteens (due to its war intensity --although it is fully without gore).

To Lady of the Lion's Mane: I'm sorry if my question was inappropriate! But I understand what you mean about letting God be God. In my religion we do not project our own experiences onto Him. Anyway, I promise I will go to the official religion thread the next time I have a question about someone's post.
 
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^I'm sorry. I was just trying to figure out if there was a Christian backlash to the film (thus its sinking success) and if so, why? since as an outsider, Aslan seems remarkably Jesus-like. Clearly, the situation is a good deal more complicated than I could expect to understand.
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I don't think the Christian undertone is what caused the sink in success. Cuz The Lord of the Rings is just as Christian oriented (if not more so) than Narnia...and look how huge a following LotR had. In LotR Gandalf is the Jesus figure.
 
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Daishi said:
Honestly I think the big punch to Narnia's gut was Indiana Jones the next week. Indy's had one of the biggest openings ever. There's tons of parents out there who remember vividly the first trilogy. I mean heck, even the final Rocky and Rambo movies did well, and those petered out as series. Indy went out strong. So one thing to consider as well is that America's dollar is weak right now, our economy just isnt strong. With less cash to spend Indy's soaking up the dollars.
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AGREED. I was like "when is someone going to say INDIANA JONES!!!" but I heard indiana jones wasn't all that good anyway.... which is sad to say. If they had only released PC at a different time... =/
 
The movie sales might be a little on the low side, however, I just went recently to the mall. To scope out what the stores had as far as Narnia stuff.

Well, all but one store had anything. I asked the cashier how the sales were going for the toys, she said they were doing well. Even selling better then Transformers.
 
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