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MrBob said:
Think about Peter and Caspian's first meeting. After the swordfight between the two, where Caspian shows a reverence, Peter then insults him after Reep introduces himself by telling Caspian that "at least some of you know how to handle a blade" (paraphrased). This was a direct insult to Caspian and undermined his leadership in front of his army.

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I agree. Peter had just met Caspian, but he immediately starting acting superior.
 
It was rude and unnecessary, i agree. But, Peter had just been humiliated, if you think about it... He was losing in that duel between him and Caspian, and in front of the Narnians and his sister, Lucy, and later the rest of them, as well. That may have injured his pride a little, and while he should not have said that, he did...
 
QueenLucyTheValient said:
It was rude and unnecessary, i agree. But, Peter had just been humiliated, if you think about it... He was losing in that duel between him and Caspian, and in front of the Narnians and his sister, Lucy, and later the rest of them, as well. That may have injured his pride a little, and while he should not have said that, he did...
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It is yet another proof that the filmmakers thought him incapable of being civil in his speech towards a perceived rival. Just because he was humiliated doesn't mean he can insult somebody.
 
agreed. That was unnecessary, and a totally rude comment. I like how he changes in the end and accepts Caspian in the end. :) He seems to really have pride problems...
Honestly though, Caspian was not about to show Peter the reverence he wanted or deserved... Not from the way he reacts before and after Peter made that comment
 
bjdoureaux said:
I agree. Peter had just met Caspian, but he immediately starting acting superior.
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Because he WAS, 1300 year old High King trumps uncrowned Telmarine Prince protocol wise.
Peter`s basic problem is that he is just a bit too much aware of that fact, and Caspian`s attitude dosn`t altogether help much.
The way these things work Caspian should automatically defer to Peter`s rank even if he dosn`t actually like him on a personal basis. The fact that he dosn`t shows that he is still acting like a Telmarine lord with no respect for the Narnian culture.

I wonder how Peter would have reacted to this situation though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAaWvVFERVA

Was Peter even insulting Caspian anyway? or just making an ironic comment about his own performance in the fight?
 
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Repetetive, aren't we QueenLucy? :p

"It was rude and unnecessary, i agree. But, Peter had just been humiliated, if you think about it... He was losing in that duel between him and Caspian, and in front of the Narnians and his sister, Lucy, and later the rest of them, as well."

Peter hadn't lost. He was about to smash a rock into Caspian's skull which would have hampered his fighting ability, who was wasting time trying to dislodge the sword from the tree. Peter easily disarmed Caspian. It was only Lucy that prevented Peter from harming Caspian.

But the sword getting lodged in the tree also makes what Peter said even worse. He also lost his sword and here is demeaning someone else who lost his sword.

"I wonder how Peter would have reacted to this situation though"

You know, Susan made a comment in the first movie that is kind of reminiscent of that scene. "Just because some man in a red suit gives you a sword does not make you a hero!"

MrBob
 
Me, repetitive? Sorry, I only repeat myself when I feel that people aren't seeing the more important part of the post...
AB-Peter may have been making an ironic comment, but based on Caspians look afterwords, I dont think he was. :( and I agree that Caspian should have respected Peter no matter what.
MB-Okay,maybe he was not losing per-say.. But still, he had lost his sword, which would be humiliating for a High King.
My cousin and I were talking and I told her that the movie would have been lots better without Peters attitude, but that I am one to not let that ruin a good movie for me... :)
 
Hey, i just read this article in WORLD Magazine about real life, and how movie writers today often portray their characters as being, well, sort of like Peter. Honestly, this article has me really thinking about if my opinion of Peter's behavior is a good one. It talked about the movie SECRITARIAT, and how the woman in the story had none of the problems (or whatever) that the women in other movies have (sexual tendencies, language problems, etc...) and how the author of the article thought that was a very good movie, and that movies today are ruined by people's sinful ways and what not. It was very interesting. I would have posted a link for it, but it wouldn't show the whole article unless you were a member of the site. If you happen to be a member of the WORLD Magazine website or get WORLD Magazine, the article is called REAL LIFE.
My mom said that she did not like Prince Caspian because the writers felt that "Oh, how could he get back and not be jealous" or whatever, and I agree that it would have been LOADS better if they had kept Peter the way he was in the book, but as I have said before, I did not let the change ruin the movie for me. I also decided not to judge a movie by its book...
 
AsbelMctalisker said:
Because he WAS, 1300 year old High King trumps uncrowned Telmarine Prince protocol wise.
Peter`s basic problem is that he is just a bit too much aware of that fact, and Caspian`s attitude dosn`t altogether help much.
The way these things work Caspian should automatically defer to Peter`s rank even if he dosn`t actually like him on a personal basis. The fact that he dosn`t shows that he is still acting like a Telmarine lord with no respect for the Narnian culture.
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Caspian did defer to Peter when they invaded the castle. And I completely disagree that he had no respect for Narnian culture. His professor made sure to instill that in him. That's why he offered to work with the Narnians and give them back their country and their freedom.

QueenLucyTheValient said:
AB-Peter may have been making an ironic comment, but based on Caspians look afterwords, I dont think he was. :( and I agree that Caspian should have respected Peter no matter what.
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And Peter should have respected Caspian, because Caspian was a prince. In reality... let the leader of one country disrespect another. Wars break out that way. Peter disrespected Caspian first with his whole attitude, and the comment about handling a sword. The only thing Caspian said to them was that he expected them to be older, which was not insulting. Obviously Narnian history would show that they were older when they disappeared from Narnia.

Both Peter and Caspian could have handled everything a lot better, but Peter's attitude started everything out on the wrong path, and his attitude started with the DLF, before he even met Caspian. If you want to go back even further, he had the same bad attitude in England, before they even got back to Narnia. It doesn't matter if you're the High King... if you don't listen to the ideas of those around you (including Lucy whom he completely ignored, and she had the right answer) and do whatever you want, then you have a dictatorship. And I'm guessing, since Aslan also made Edmund, Susan, and Lucy King and Queens of Narnia, that a dictatorship was never Aslan's plan.
 
but Peter was High King, which sort of trumps Caspian's Prince... Caspian should have shown more respect to Peter in the first place.... Caspian may have had respect for the Narnians, but he still showed selfish tendencies...
My cousin just made a good point... She said that "The fact that Peter acted with a bad attitude in the train station makes me think that he had a somewhat worse attitude than Prince Caspian in the movie. How I see it, he started to feel like he was cheated out of something that he was lucky to even have in the first place. He felt like he deserved more even though he didn't. He felt like he should have peoples respect because HE was HIGH KING. I think he started to get rather cocky and full of himself with the power he once had. Even though Making Peter act the way he did made him a little more relatable to those who haven't ever heard of the books, they would have done better if they had remained closer to the books because Narnia fans are pretty die hard...."
I agree with her. They should have made him more the way he was in the book. In my opinion, if they wanted to have that in there, make it more subtle, not so out in the open. Maybe a comment or two.. She did say that if he only had that problem in Narnia it would not have been as bad. I agree that the fight in the train-station was totally unnecessary.
 
The fight in the train station made me mad. Honestly, I have a dreadful temper, and I would handle that situation better than Peter did. It's childish and STUPID to pick a fight. Sure, it's annoying to have someone treat you that way, but that doesn't mean you should make things worse by fighting. It isn't that hard to walk away.

Sorry, QLTV... I know you were saying you didn't like it. I just needed to rant for a moment. :eek:
 
MissReepicheep said:
It isn't that hard to walk away.
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It IS hard to `walk away` if you`re in a crowded tunnel located about sixty feet below street level!
That is a VERY dangerous place to have a fight, at one point Peter is forced to the ground and his head falls beyond the edge of the platform.
Its lucky there wasn`t a train coming!
I assume that Peter would have had the common sense NOT to initiate something there so its far more likely that he`s just having to defend himself from two gorrillas that want to have a go at him no matter what he does.
 
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He admits to starting the fight though.... Idk, maybe he did it cause they were going to attack him anyway... I wish that scene was not in the movie...
 
If they had attacked him, there was little he could do. But he punched the guys when they wanted him to say sorry. Honestly, the same sort of thing would happen to me when I was in first grade. I wouldn't punch the person; I would just think 'they're an idiot' and walk away. Yes, it isn't nice to call someone an idiot. But it's more mature than acting out and punching someone.
 
That is the only scene I did not like. :) and to quote him "No, After they bumped me, they tried to make me apologize, thats when I hit him." I thought that scene was unnecessary and I agree with my cousin that if that was not in the movie, meaning that if he only had the problem in Narnia it would have been better, cause it would show that he knew that he was not entitled to something in England, and really, he was lucky to have been a king at all, it could have been anyone...
Honestly, that article in WORLD really changed my mind in that Peter's attitude was TOTALLY unnecessary and that the writers felt that Peter could not have been as perfect as he was in the book, but he was not perfect even in the book, he had his faults. They could have just had what was in the book considering that subject in there and left out the other behavior. The Castle Raid and the girls NOT going with Aslan in the movie could stay in as far as I am concerned, they made the movie more interesting... I decided though not to let Peters attitude ruin the movie for me, especially because he really learns a good, hard lesson in the end, and through his mistakes, became a better person. They were lessons that he should have already learned though.. Honestly, we can never know what the character was thinking... :( I wish we could.
 
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The thing is, If you `bump` somebody in a narrow, crowded tunnel which has a bit of an incline then the end result could be someone getting killed a bit further down the line!
Sombody gets bumped, stumbles in to someone in front, THEY fall over in to a couple of people a bit further on, then they in turn push a couple of others down the stairs a bit further on, then everybody comes down on top!

So what actually happens might be that, a couple of muscle-bound idiots start larking about in the tunnel just behind Peter (Lucy might also be there as well!) and they almost push him over.
Peter objects for good reason but the idiots adopt the usual adolescent `I`m bigger than you are and you can`t make me` attitude and start threatening him.
And, rather than be intimidated like any normal kid Peter decks the guy with the biggest mouth, most adults know that there are times when you CANT back down and fighting back is the only option.
 
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AsbelMctalisker said:
The thing is, If you `bump` somebody in a narrow, crowded tunnel which has a bit of an incline then the end result could be someone getting killed a bit further down the line!
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So, what happens when there's an all out brawl and people are scattering trying to get out of the way, or panicking because they're not sure what's happening? I'd say that's a lot more dangerous than if someone accidentally bumps you, which is bound to happen in a narrow, crowded tunnel. Yes, those guys were punks for trying to make Peter apologize, but that was no excuse for Peter to punch one of them.

AsbelMctalisker said:
most adults know that there are times when you CANT back down and fighting back is the only option.
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That is true to a point, but surely not when you throw the first punch. Peter should have tried to walk away and ignore them. THEN, if the boys attacked or punched Peter he could have defended himself, but that's not what happened. Peter threw the first punch because they told him to apologize. There was no reason for that.
 
Well the Pevensies are literally adults trapped in children's bodies because they did retain all their memories and knowledge when they grew as adults and kings back in Narnia the first time. That is a very unique and disparaging experience, but I think the one that would have had it the worst should not have been Peter but Lucy. Since she found herself back as little girl even though mentally she was an adult. Now that could have, should have been explored...
 
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