You know its easy to criticize movie Peter when watching the film but...

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I think that if Lucy was there and people started to bully Peter it would be a little more justifiable because he would not want them to bully Lucy or touch her in any way, even in a 'playful' shove. He seems very protective of all of the siblings, especially Lu.. And if them shoving him had caused him to nearly kill someone that would also be somewhat justifiable. But it was still a totally unnecessary scene.

sorry this is so brief, but I was about to post and lost it all because of the 'server to busy' thing... Oh and PunkMaister, I like your pic of Jack (oneill) in your siggy and your quote from Sam in the sigg as well. I loved that show, just have not seen it in forever!! :)
 
Regarding the fight in the underground, what should someone do if they bump into someone else? Apologize. Those two guys should not have forced him to apologize, but saying sorry is not that difficult.

But this was more than the fight in the underground, it was what Susan said after the fight. "What was it this time?" (or something to that effect). This implied that he had gotten into many other petty scuffles. If this had been a one time thing, he could be forgiven, but it was implied to be a pattern of behaviour.

The High King of Narnia turned into what his brother was before their experiences in LWW. What was the point of them going into Narnia? Was it to be worse off than before? This is why it seemed to me that Aslan decided that Peter didn't deserve to return to Narnia after PC. "Look what you became after your first visit. Youi became more arrogant and feel you are entitled to things that you have not earned. Maybe knowing that you will not be coming back will make you rethink your priorities!." (my pretend dialogue from Aslan to Peter).

MrBob
 
ya that is one of the ways that they ruined Peter. They DID NOT need the train fight. Yes, they could show that Peter was shoved but he should have been a man, apolized and walked away. And yes it might be hard to walk way, but still. That sene ruined Peter when i saw it. It was so un-nessesary.
 
I think that IF Lu had been there and there was any possibility that they would do anything to her it would be justifiable, but she was not there.. "He bumped me"-Peter "So you hit him?!?!"-Lucy if she was there, she would not have said that... If she was there, it would be much better, but she was not. That was the only scene when they went WAAAAYYY overboard.. That and the fact that he got into more fights then just that make it worse...
This is a tad off sub. here, but I wonder if he actually won any of the fights he got into.. He probably has, but that is just a random question that popped into my mind. :p
 
Another matter to be dealt with is what he was fighting FOR. If he was fighting for true justice, he might be condoned for having good motives, even if he made a foolish choice. But to all appearances, he is simply fighting to satisfy his own ego issues.
 
yes. I agree. He had no motive for the fight. I think he did it just to be either mean or just because he wanted to. That puts him in a bad light as being a former king.
 
it was not because he wanted to be mean, but because his pride was TOTALY inflated and having someone treat him like a kid was insulting for him, which he handled be getting into the fight...
 
yes, he did. That was his main problem...
If he did not have that problem with his pride, and they just had the problems he had in the book.. Oh, and I just saw that one of the chapter titles for PC is 'The HIgh King In Command.'
I just thought that that shows that he was supposed to take over and that he should not have been doubted by the Narnians.. They never doubted him in PC and should not have doubted him in the movie..

Edit 1/4/11: Here is a quote from William Moseley on his character in PC-In the process, Moseley says, his character becomes a man. “When he gets back to Narnia, it’s 1,300 years later and people don't know he's a high king. They just see a boy. Peter has to prove who he is to the Narnians.”

and he should not have had to prove himself, they should have seen him for who he was. High King Peter the Magnificent, Lord of Cair Paravel, High King of all kings of Narnia, Emperor of the Lone Islands, Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Lion. That was who he was and who he should have been respected as.
 
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I think that IF Lu had been there and there was any possibility that they would do anything to her it would be justifiable, but she was not there.. "He bumped me"-Peter "So you hit him?!?!"-Lucy if she was there, she would not have said that... If she was there, it would be much better, but she was not. That was the only scene when they went WAAAAYYY overboard.. That and the fact that he got into more fights then just that make it worse...
This is a tad off sub. here, but I wonder if he actually won any of the fights he got into.. He probably has, but that is just a random question that popped into my mind. :p
Ok, consider how we first see the Pevensies in the movie.
Lucy is seen crossing the road FROM the Underground station to get Susan to tell her that there`s a problem, so therefore she must have been present when the fight started.
Also, people are judging Peter by Susan`s reaction after the fight with her, `what was it this time` comment.
Now, the big question is, how much does Susan actually know about the other fights Peter has supposed to have been in.
The Pevensie boys go to a different boarding school to that of the girls so she CANT have first-hand knowledge of what happened.
 
Ohhhh... AM, you are right!!! My only question is why did Lucy say what she did? I suppose she may have not quite understood what was going on when Peter got into the fight... I do feel that that part was not necessary to have in the movie... They could have portrayed jus attitude without that scene... Still, it made for an interesting scene in it's own way, seeing Peter getting beaten up and showing Eds change in his willingness to help his brother. :) just a thought.
 
"he should not have had to prove himself, they should have seen him for who he was"

QueenLucy, he had to prive himself again. You always have to prove yourself. They accepted Peter as the High King from the first time he was introduced. They accepted him as a leader alongside Caspian. What both Peter and Caspian did wrong was to argue in front of their soldiers. That represents a power struggle that demeans both of them.

"Now, the big question is, how much does Susan actually know about the other fights Peter has supposed to have been in."

Asbel, Susan has been with her brother for the past summer. If it was only a school thing, she wouldn't have been so upset as it would not have been so seemingly frequent.

MrBob
 
It sure seemed like he needed to prove himself, but then on top of that, you are right, MrBob, he should not have argued with Caspian in front of the rest of the soldiers... If he had to argue with Caspian, do it privately. But they did not have to argue at all, they should have shown move respect for each other.
I think that Peter should not have gotten into any fights and the fact that he did just shows how bad his pride was. His pride should not have been in that much control over him. He should have known that no one would respect him in England.. No one would know who he was, and if he told them, they would laugh at him and call him crazy.. When he got to Narnia, not only did no one believe who he was, but to top that, not many people respected him as they should have.. Yes, his attitude was not the best, and I do not like that Disney had to make him act that way, but I do realize why he did what he did, and that a lot of it was, yes, pride. But a lot of it was that he was trying to help Narnia in every way the boy he had become could help Narnia...
Caspian should not have been so selfish. When he learned about Miraz murdering his father, he wanted Miraz dead and he wanted it done the way he wanted it done, basically, he wanted to do it himself.. He was selfish in that respect. Then, Nikabrick was able to appeal to that selfishness by telling Caspian that the werewolf and hag would somehow destroy Miraz. It was Caspians fault that the witch almost came back, because he was the one that allowed her to be brought back in the way she was in the first place. Peter was trying to stop what was happening with the White Witch, but stepped into a magical circle, which he probably did not know was magic. Caspian was the one who allowed the circle to even be made and the witch to even have come back like that, none of that was Peter's fault... They both change by the end, after the witch almost coming back, actually... that was good, that was what I enjoyed... Well, part of what I liked anyways... :)
 
Asbel, Susan has been with her brother for the past summer. If it was only a school thing, she wouldn't have been so upset as it would not have been so seemingly frequent.
That`s true from the book but may not actually be the case in the film.
There are some visual clues in the opening sequence that suggest that it actually takes place at the start of the summer holidays rather than the end!
They could be accidental though rather than something put in delberately.

It does seem to me that the way that scene is structured puts far to much emphesis on Susan`s point of view being correct rather than this being another case of her being `on Peter`s back` as she was in the first film.
Remember such lines as the scene outside the witches castle, "This is all your fault, if you had just listened to me none of this would have happened."
Or even the line "Just because a man in a red suit gives you a sword dos`nt make you a hero!"
The thing is Susan is frequently depicted in the films as Peter`s biggest critic in his family but is usually wrong!
Why should it turn out that she just happens to be right this time?

Lucy`s comment "so you hit him?" suggests to me in context that she was present to start with but left to get Susan before the fight started.
Thinking about this it would seem that something was going on BEFORE the bumping part.
 
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"That`s true from the book but may not actually be the case in the film.
There are some visual clues in the opening sequence that suggest that it actually takes place at the start of the summer holidays rather than the end!"

Asbel, the book has the four siblings sitting alone at a quiet, fairly deserted train station when they feel the magic pulling them to Narnia. We have no idea what they had been doing the previous summer. As for when the movie sequence took place, there is no reason it didn't take place at the end of summer. I would imagine that they would be wearing regular clothes if they were going home.

"It does seem to me that the way that scene is structured puts far to much emphesis on Susan`s point of view being correct rather than this being another case of her being `on Peter`s back` as she was in the first film."

Well, we can only assume that she is right. After all, Peter does not say anything when Susan asks him what happened "this time." That to me implies that he has gotten into other fights and she (or his mother) has been on him about it before.

I will give you that Susan has been Peter's biggest critic. Of course, she is the second oldest and the oldest girl in the family. Tht dynamic may be just what worked out for them. She was the pragmatist.

MrBob
 
...in real life if you were in the situation I don't think you would think of him as such a bad person.

Yeah he didnt need to get in the fight, but everyone has moments where they explode. That is the only point in the film where I feel he was acting immature.

But really, the whole Night Raid attempt seemed like a good idea. And since Aslan wasnt showing up apparently, the Night Raid seemed like the best option. It would have worked had Caspian not awoken Miraz. Peter should have called it off, but his reasons for trying to fight wasnt because he was being an arrogant glory seeker. He just felt like he was constantly failing at everything and was hoping that maybe there was still time to win with this Night Raid.

Many critizise him for even listening to Jadis. Now while we objectively look at the series and realise that she represents the Devil and that she is bad, lets look at it from Peter's perspective. Your soldiers are dying. The guy that is suppossed to be future King of Narnia turns out to be immature and overemotional. And Miraz's army is coming and Aslan is still not showing. Although seeking Aslan is the right spiritual choice, from a logical standpoint and when in a state of crisis it wouldnt seem like the best idea to just wander around the woods screaming "Aslan!".

So you find CASPIAN seeking the aid of the White Witch (no one seems mad at him for this apparently), and Peter pushes him out of the way. The Witch doesnt seem to be in the killing mode, but rather she's offering to help him. If your only hope of saving hundreds of lives against an an enemy was by making an alliance with an old enemy, wouldnt you consider it? Maybe not, but I know several people that would. One other thing to keep in mind is that the magic circle (drawn by the hag) seemed to have an enchanting effect on whoever stood in it. Caspian seemd a bit hypnotized when he stood in it, and maybe Peter's mind was caught off gaurd when he stepped inside.

I just think its wrong for people to label Peter as a jerk, when really he seems just like a regular person you would see at school and be friends with. And even though he made mistakes in the movie, he alway had the intention of saving Narnia when he made them. I think thats why he sometimes snapped at Caspian and Trumpkin, because they seemed to keep making him feel like he couldnt save narnia when he felt as king it was his responsibility to do so.

I agree with this completely! People are much too critical of many things with Prince Caspian (I'm guilty of this myself), but having watched the movie again and thought about it, it really was quite true to the book in many ways and you really can't blame Peter too much. I know how I would feel in his position, and I probably would have done the same, even after having been a king for many years in Narnia.
 
@STDK-I agree!!! I would have probably reacted the same way he did!! Everyone judges this movie so much, and it is so sad, because it is such a good movie!!! Peter was a great character in this movie, and I think even more-so now that I saw the VDT!! His character in PC was really cool.
He did it all for Narnia, even when he made his mistakes. When he gets on Caspian after the Castle Raid, he was getting on him because he needed to. Caspian messed up and Peter needed to lay into him. Peter could have handled himself better, but he did need to make sure that Caspian did not make the same mistake again.
When he goes to stop the Witch from coming back, he is thinking about Narnia, and he also has to fix Caspians mistake.. Then he gets entranced by the circle he was standing in. He could not do anything about it.
Then he gets better. He risks his life in the duel so others won't have to and in order that Lucy will have a chance to get to Aslan. He is ready to die for Narnia. That is heroism. He admits his mistakes, and feels sorry for them. He deeply regrets them, and becomes a better person by them.
 
The problem with all these psycho-conjectures that you all are indulging in is that none of them have anything to do with the characters in the books. You're doing what the screenwriters did - projecting what you'd do, and how you'd feel, onto Peter, rather than letting the character Lewis wrote come through. That's why so many of us detest the Caspian film - not because of changes to the action (e.g. the night raid), but because of totally unnecessary changes to the characters.
 
The problem with all these psycho-conjectures that you all are indulging in is that none of them have anything to do with the characters in the books. You're doing what the screenwriters did - projecting what you'd do, and how you'd feel, onto Peter, rather than letting the character Lewis wrote come through. That's why so many of us detest the Caspian film - not because of changes to the action (e.g. the night raid), but because of totally unnecessary changes to the characters.
I think you're right. What an excellent point! :) I LOVE VDT despite the changes, because all of the main characters were perfectly done! I may not have minded the plot changes in PC if they had not so carelessly mutilated characters to fit modern ideals.

I have said more than once that SOME of the plot changes were actually necessary. PC was a hard book to adapt! But making Peter a brat and Susan hold a petty crush and fight in a battle... I'm just thankful that the characters of my favorites, Lucy and Edmund, were preserved.
 
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