Prince Caspian: Ben Barnes & why is he so old?

you know what i think is funny? there are ppl saying that Ben's age is a thorn, but i bet when they see him in action......they'll be swooning (i'm talking about the girls). haha. just a thought.
anyway, in order to "get a taste" of his thesbian skills, Stardust and Bigga than Ben will be out........"soon." (March 16 for Stardust)
Then we'll have a better idea of what this guy can do.
 
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I feel like I am repeating myself, being thirteen nowadays is different from being thirteen in Narnia. Cause the Narnians had a more middleages understanding of adulthood. People in 1600's would have laughed at the fact that we are calling thirteen a child. this is a veiw that the Narnians would have held too.

Well, that is true, but Caspian acts like a kid in PC. He even tells Aslan that he doesn't think he's sufficient enough to be king because he's "only a kid."

Although...whoever said something about seeing Ben in action will have all the girls swooning...I don't doubt for a minute for that to be true...not that I'd be, uh, swooning *cough, cough, COUGH* over ANYbody...:p

I just never had the idea that Caspian would be older than Peter. It says in PC that he's close to Peter's age, but I seemed to get the impression that he was younger. And frankly, in that pic of Ben on NarniaWeb, he still looks like a 20-something-year-old man. They need to do something with his hair.
 
Ben!!!! he is the way he looks in real life, not how the Narnia people are going to use make up to make up to make him look like a teen. They did a good job with Will, I could not tell that he was my age when the movie came out.
 
I STILL wish Caspian was younger, though. For a bunch of reasons I posted a few pages back. Although I am going to give Ben a chance.
I totally agree with you, Alambil and Tarvis..

It's not that anyone isn't willing to give him a chance, everyone would like to see Ben play the part to perfection and act up to what us skeptics are hoping... unfortunately for us, the age thing seems to throw in a hint of doubt.

And, I'm not saying he will, but if he stinks up the movie, then what is the point in swooning over him? ;) :rolleyes:
 
I understand the worries over the age issue. It's not as you say, Jean, that the fact the Pevensies actors are older than their actual ages makes Ben's age somehow irrelevant. I haven't posted here in awhile, but there was actually quite a fuss on these boards about the age of Will and Anna in LWW, about how much older than the characters they were. As some have mentioned though, obviously it worked out well enough to suffice. I think Will and Anna both had enough naivety to act younger, and truth be told they weren't that much older than the characters they were supposed to be playing.

I think the issue at the heart of Ben's age is that Caspian's youth actually has a direct impact on the course of the story in "Prince Caspian" the book. Caspian is not simply looking for more troops, he's looking for leadership, someone to help lead him through a war he has no idea how to win. He's actually hoping that Susan's horn will summon Aslan himself to his aid, but seems just as willing to accept the Pevensies in his stead (which obviously ends up being the case).

I think what has to be resolved, now that we know who Caspian is being played by...is how the story will be adapted, because it will have to change. I do realize that Will will be approximately 3 years older than we saw him in LWW when filming PC, but the feeling the book gave you was that Caspian was basically in awe of the mere presence of Peter. Not only does Caspian convey this in the way he speaks and acts around Peter, but it's reinforced when Edmund goes into Miraz's camp to offer Miraz the chance to end the war via 1 on 1 combat with Peter.

The remark from Miraz's men (Lords Sopespian and Glozelle) who would later betray him was, "He that is walking between the Centaur and the Giant (referring to Edmund) has no look of surrender in his face, said Glozelle. Who can he be? It is not the boy Caspian. No indeed, said Sopespian. This is a fell warrior, I warrant you, wherever the rebels have got him from. He is (in your Lordship's private ear) a kinglier man than ever Miraz was."

Once they begin speaking with Miraz the Lords go on to mention, "For though I have never been called a coward, I must plainly say that to meet that young man (Edmund) in battle is more than my heart would serve me for. And if (as is likely) his brother, the High King, is more dangerous than he--why, on your life, my Lord King, have nothing to do with him."

As far as Prince Caspian goes, it's not my favorite of the books, so I guess I'm not as invested in this movie as some might be...but I definately see the issues that some people are having with his age. Basically everytime Caspian is mentioned it's as "boy" or "child", whereas Peter and Edmund are constantly portrayed as more mature, more regal, more intimidating. Makeup and props can make a difference, but I guess the issue everyone is having is how to make Peter and Edmund seem more assure, more savvy, more battle tested, more inspiring than Caspian when their is a pretty sizable age difference in the actors. Just in the quote above, can you picture how they're going to be able to portray Skandar as "kinglier than Miraz" to Caspian's "it's not the boy Caspian"? It's hard to fathom, which leads most to believe that they'll have to change the story.

Maybe it'll end up more as the Pevensie's acting as reinforcements rather than coming in and running the show as they did in the books. Heck, maybe they'll even change it and end up fighting Caspian against Miraz instead of Peter.

I think his age/looks will do him just fine in VODT, which I think could be the best screen adaptation of the series (though it's not my favorite book, if the effects are done well the movie would be amazing). I wasn't expecting much from this movie (since it's not one of my favorite stories), though I am hoping for a very good Reepicheep (both physically and the voice). I expect even more fighting scenes in this movie in comparison with LWW (since LWW the book really only had about 2 paragraphs about a fight which ended up a huge dramatic war sequence in the movie, whereas Prince Caspian the book spends significantly more time in describing fighting sequences).

I guess that's about all I have to say about Prince Caspian. The age does matter but it's not as if they haven't read the book, just means they'll haveta change the story to fit the characters they've cast. In the end I expect a better movie than LWW, simply because they learned alot in making the first movie. The special effects/animated characters will only get better since they're building off what they've done before. They should have more money to invest into this movie than LWW since LWW made so much money for them, and since they need to maintain interest in the series as they plan to finish all 7 movies. Who knows, it may even surprise me (and probably will).
 
Very good points, Corin! Especially that business about the two lords contrasting the "fell warrior Edmind with the "boy Caspian." This could never be if the two in question were Skandar and Ben! Ben is what, 10 years older than Skandar? How could anyway refer to him as a boy compared to Skandar? I think there will definitely have to be changes to the storyline.

But you are right, for VDT, Ben will probably be just right.
 
I totally agree with you, Alambil and Tarvis..

It's not that anyone isn't willing to give him a chance, everyone would like to see Ben play the part to perfection and act up to what us skeptics are hoping... unfortunately for us, the age thing seems to throw in a hint of doubt.

And, I'm not saying he will, but if he stinks up the movie, then what is the point in swooning over him? ;) :rolleyes:

yes, that is the problem with adaptations. there's so much expectation for the outcome of the product. I wonder how Andrew Adamson sleeps at night knowing and probably feeling all that pressure. But since we've seen his skills in LWW, i trust that he knows what he's doing and how the film will turn out.

as for swooning, it just popped into my head the irony of a "love-hate" thing going on. just voicing my thoughts :D
 
I understand the worries over the age issue. It's not as you say, Jean, that the fact the Pevensies actors are older than their actual ages makes Ben's age somehow irrelevant. I haven't posted here in awhile, but there was actually quite a fuss on these boards about the age of Will and Anna in LWW, about how much older than the characters they were. As some have mentioned though, obviously it worked out well enough to suffice. I think Will and Anna both had enough naivety to act younger, and truth be told they weren't that much older than the characters they were supposed to be playing.

I think the issue at the heart of Ben's age is that Caspian's youth actually has a direct impact on the course of the story in "Prince Caspian" the book. Caspian is not simply looking for more troops, he's looking for leadership, someone to help lead him through a war he has no idea how to win. He's actually hoping that Susan's horn will summon Aslan himself to his aid, but seems just as willing to accept the Pevensies in his stead (which obviously ends up being the case).

I think what has to be resolved, now that we know who Caspian is being played by...is how the story will be adapted, because it will have to change. I do realize that Will will be approximately 3 years older than we saw him in LWW when filming PC, but the feeling the book gave you was that Caspian was basically in awe of the mere presence of Peter. Not only does Caspian convey this in the way he speaks and acts around Peter, but it's reinforced when Edmund goes into Miraz's camp to offer Miraz the chance to end the war via 1 on 1 combat with Peter.

The remark from Miraz's men (Lords Sopespian and Glozelle) who would later betray him was, "He that is walking between the Centaur and the Giant (referring to Edmund) has no look of surrender in his face, said Glozelle. Who can he be? It is not the boy Caspian. No indeed, said Sopespian. This is a fell warrior, I warrant you, wherever the rebels have got him from. He is (in your Lordship's private ear) a kinglier man than ever Miraz was."

Once they begin speaking with Miraz the Lords go on to mention, "For though I have never been called a coward, I must plainly say that to meet that young man (Edmund) in battle is more than my heart would serve me for. And if (as is likely) his brother, the High King, is more dangerous than he--why, on your life, my Lord King, have nothing to do with him."

As far as Prince Caspian goes, it's not my favorite of the books, so I guess I'm not as invested in this movie as some might be...but I definately see the issues that some people are having with his age. Basically everytime Caspian is mentioned it's as "boy" or "child", whereas Peter and Edmund are constantly portrayed as more mature, more regal, more intimidating. Makeup and props can make a difference, but I guess the issue everyone is having is how to make Peter and Edmund seem more assure, more savvy, more battle tested, more inspiring than Caspian when their is a pretty sizable age difference in the actors. Just in the quote above, can you picture how they're going to be able to portray Skandar as "kinglier than Miraz" to Caspian's "it's not the boy Caspian"? It's hard to fathom, which leads most to believe that they'll have to change the story.

Maybe it'll end up more as the Pevensie's acting as reinforcements rather than coming in and running the show as they did in the books. Heck, maybe they'll even change it and end up fighting Caspian against Miraz instead of Peter.

I think his age/looks will do him just fine in VODT, which I think could be the best screen adaptation of the series (though it's not my favorite book, if the effects are done well the movie would be amazing). I wasn't expecting much from this movie (since it's not one of my favorite stories), though I am hoping for a very good Reepicheep (both physically and the voice). I expect even more fighting scenes in this movie in comparison with LWW (since LWW the book really only had about 2 paragraphs about a fight which ended up a huge dramatic war sequence in the movie, whereas Prince Caspian the book spends significantly more time in describing fighting sequences).

I guess that's about all I have to say about Prince Caspian. The age does matter but it's not as if they haven't read the book, just means they'll haveta change the story to fit the characters they've cast. In the end I expect a better movie than LWW, simply because they learned alot in making the first movie. The special effects/animated characters will only get better since they're building off what they've done before. They should have more money to invest into this movie than LWW since LWW made so much money for them, and since they need to maintain interest in the series as they plan to finish all 7 movies. Who knows, it may even surprise me (and probably will).

I'm worried. It's starting to sound like they're going to change the plot TOO much, and they've already seemed to have drastically changed Caspian, one of my favorite characters. And although the effects will probably be amazing, the most important thing in PC is Caspian himself. And if that doesn't turn out well, it destroys the whole movie, b/c the entire story revolves around him. And Lewis intended for Caspian to be a kid to convey a sense of childlike humility, especially around his predecessors Peter and Edmund and around Aslan, so if Caspian's character is adapted to fit Ben's age, it's almost as if they might make Caspian not Caspian anymore, if you get what I mean.
 
^I sorta get what you mean.

But I am used to the movies not being like the books. That is why you have the good 'ol close-to-the-books BBC Narnia's! Though most ppl hate them.....
 
Well, I don't take movies changing stuff in books very lightly. If I find a change totally unnecessary, that apparently the filmmakers thought was "interesting", I get really ticked off. *cough*SusanCaspian*cough* The reason for my sensitivity to that sort of thing is that I'm a literature nerd and super-analyze everything I read. So I pick up even the most subtle imagery and "hidden messages" that most people don't notice; and sometimes, that "most people" includes filmmakers. Which stinks, b/c those little details were put in whatever book on purpose to serve as a way to further convey the author's message. I think all filmmakers should have a good background in literature for that reason...
 
Yeah, true.
Though the whole Su&Casp deal doesnt bother me too much. I guess I kinda wish there was more romance in the books..cuz I like it when theres stuff like that in fantasy books. :rolleyes: LOTR for example.

besides, the whole movie shant revolve around their relationship, its not like they're gonna get married.
 
The remark from Miraz's men (Lords Sopespian and Glozelle) who would later betray him was, "He that is walking between the Centaur and the Giant (referring to Edmund) has no look of surrender in his face, said Glozelle. Who can he be? It is not the boy Caspian. No indeed, said Sopespian. This is a fell warrior, I warrant you, wherever the rebels have got him from. He is (in your Lordship's private ear) a kinglier man than ever Miraz was."

As far as Prince Caspian goes, it's not my favorite of the books, so I guess I'm not as invested in this movie as some might be...but I definately see the issues that some people are having with his age. Basically everytime Caspian is mentioned it's as "boy" or "child", whereas Peter and Edmund are constantly portrayed as more mature, more regal, more intimidating. Makeup and props can make a difference, but I guess the issue everyone is having is how to make Peter and Edmund seem more assure, more savvy, more battle tested, more inspiring than Caspian when their is a pretty sizable age difference in the actors. Just in the quote above, can you picture how they're going to be able to portray Skandar as "kinglier than Miraz" to Caspian's "it's not the boy Caspian"? It's hard to fathom, which leads most to believe that they'll have to change the story.

Maybe it'll end up more as the Pevensie's acting as reinforcements rather than coming in and running the show as they did in the books. Heck, maybe they'll even change it and end up fighting Caspian against Miraz instead of Peter.
I agree with you and Inkspot. There is no way on earth that they are going to make Edmund (Skandar) look manlier, kinglier, and older than Ben Barnes, who is, in fact, a man. There's no doubt in my mind that the entire cast has incredibly acting talent, but... the age issues. Absolutely no way they can do that without totally screwing the plot.... Also, how are they going to make William look more mature- I suppose- then Caspian who is older than him in real life? In answer to your last paragraph: I would have a hard time imaging that, since it almost seems like they should switch the roles around between them.

And, I really hope that they don't have Caspian fight Miraz instead of Peter fighting Peter. That would really take away from the fact that Peter is the High King.

as for swooning, it just popped into my head the irony of a "love-hate" thing going on. just voicing my thoughts :D

They will all be getting one heck of a letter if that movie is ruined (and I really do mean full-blown ruined). ;)

The only people who will be falling over themselves for Ben Barnes are those teenage girls who have never read the book, and don't care about the acting, just the hottness/cuteness/hunky factor. (i.e. Hayden Christensen in Revenge of the Sith. The man was, in my opinion, terrib- not right for the role at all.)

;) :D
 
Yeah, I know they won't get married...but when it comes to Narnia...I just can't stand an injected romance when there isn't one. It...just doesn't seem right. It almost seems as if people get desperate to put romance in, even a tiny bit, to make it so much more interesting, and because every other fantasy movie has it. Although in Eragon it was overexaggerated WAY too much...(thus, an example of the desperation I was talking about). If people do it over that "desperation"--I know that's not the right word, but something to that effect--then that seems to me not showing enough appreciation for the original story Lewis or any other author, for that matter, created. Isn't it good enough without romance? To me it is, and I think to the majority of fans, it is too.
 
The only people who will be falling over themselves for Ben Barnes are those teenage girls who have never read the book, and don't care about the acting, just the hottness/cuteness/hunky factor. (i.e. Hayden Christensen in Revenge of the Sith. The man was, in my opinion, terrib- not right for the role at all.)

;) :D

So true! stuff like that annoys me VERY, VERY, VERY much.
 
I agree with you and Inkspot. There is no way on earth that they are going to make Edmund (Skandar) look manlier, kinglier, and older than Ben Barnes, who is, in fact, a man. There's no doubt in my mind that the entire cast has incredibly acting talent, but... the age issues. Absolutely no way they can do that without totally screwing the plot.... Also, how are they going to make William look more mature- I suppose- then Caspian who is older than him in real life? In answer to your last paragraph: I would have a hard time imaging that, since it almost seems like they should switch the roles around between them.

And, I really hope that they don't have Caspian fight Miraz instead of Peter fighting Peter. That would really take away from the fact that Peter is the High King.



They will all be getting one heck of a letter if that movie is ruined (and I really do mean full-blown ruined). ;)

The only people who will be falling over themselves for Ben Barnes are those teenage girls who have never read the book, and don't care about the acting, just the hottness/cuteness/hunky factor. (i.e. Hayden Christensen in Revenge of the Sith. The man was, in my opinion, terrib- not right for the role at all.)

;) :D

I think Barnes will do fine; but Hayden was perfect for the (human) part of Vader.
 
Christensen was good in the final parts of Episode III. And as for Natalie Portman...she was terrible in Episode I, but excellent in Episode III. And enough of talk about Star Wars now, hmmm, yess... *sigh, that was terrible Yoda impression*
 
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