The Series is threatened.

well, all people who liked Narnia cvame to the movie, because they read the bookand theywanted to kno< how was the movie, so why weren't they enough like for LWW, maybe because people who never read narnia came to the 1st one and didn't like it, now that there are many differences withthe book, maybe people who love the narnia books won't come to VoDT, because now, they now about the diferences ... but it wasn't the case for PC, I mean, there were'nt many differences for LWW, right ??
 
I'm pretty sure Inky was referring to the book Ella Enchanted, not the abomination of a film that was supposedly based on it. Now there's one movie that failed in both aspects - not only did it fail miserably in adapting its book, it was a terrible film on its own merits.

I agree with her, though. It's been said over and over, but I'll add my voice: obviously some changes had to be made. But you can make changes to plot structure, timeline, action, etc. without making significant changes to characters and themes.

The heart of the Narnia stories is Aslan's divinity and how encounters with him change people - permanently. Any film that ignores these things has lost the meaning and become just another Hollywood fling with sword-and-sorcery. It may be a fun fling and a good flick, but it's not Narnia.

As for the Romp...ah well, some people didn't appreciate David's dancing before the Lord, either. :rolleyes:
 
just because it didn't stick to the book dosn't mean it's Narnia, the Story wasn't the PC one, but the places, the creatures, Aslan, those are what I call Narnia, but it's still my opinion ...
 
IMO, the series was already threatened when LWW came out. Powl, you're right about people who haven't read the book. You should view the terrible reviews IMDb goers had out at LWW. They had a field day bashing how much it copied Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, never knowing the real reasons behind the scenes. I have a big feeling that Prince Caspian made $56 mil from people who have read the book. It doesn't make any sense that people who hated or disliked the first would see PC, so who but the book lovers would go and see it? It just doesn't add up that they'd do that.
 
Thanks, Sunrise yah, I was talking about the BOOK Ella Enchanted. The movie was, as you say, an abomination. Here is another case in point where the director, writers, someone decided to update the book and make it relevant to today's teenagers or pre-teens ... and it was horrible! I could only watch about the first 10 minutes. Then I gave up.

Truman, you say thank goodness PJ didn't take our view of LOTR, but in fact, he did very much stick with the LOTR story, just compressing the timeline a bit and adding an expanded role for Arwen which did no damage to the story.

What was added to PC, in my opinion, did damage the story, as Sunrise has said.

LWW was more like the book, I agree, Powl, than PC was. And I do not take the opinions of people who bother to post their negative reviews on IMDB as proof that in sticking to the book LWW was "bad." Clearly LWW way out-performed PC at the box office internationally, and this, to me, is evidence that straying from the book damaged the future of the film. LWW was a modest success in international box office, and there was no talk of ending the series with it. Only after the tepid response to PC was there talk of not making the rest.

As much as I enjoyed PC (and I did), if the movies are going to continue to devolve away from the storyline of the books, I say they should quit making them. I am sure Gail Carson Levine wishes the movie of Ella Enchanted had never been made! I think we can probably surmise what CSL would think of a Peter the Magnificent who behaved like a spoiled Harry Potter ... :(
 
humm for the moment, we're pratically sure, they'll be a third movie, so what we must worry about is the other books ... I really want TSC to come out ... :(
 
Darth Sparhawk said:
Wardrobe, I was trying to say that if I don't add something constructive to the forum and am irrelevant, I wouldn't want to ruin your discussion and I will willingly leave. As I have said, I have huge respect for people here, although I believe that the ideas behind their bashing are wrong and the names were focused on the ideas, and not the people. I apologise if it has sounded bad. But I do think that maybe a fan-only topic about the movie will be useful, so all Narnia fans could be feeling well.
May I start such topic?
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I will repeat what I said in the PM. We are all fans. We don't have to agree with everything to be fans. So, in essence, this is a fan-only thread. We will NOT just have a thread for only the people who liked the film. We have threads to discuss it, and we have a thread somewhere here to say what you liked about it. So, if you want to only focus on the positives, find that thread and post in it. But, all threads are open to discussion and opinions of all. As BarbarianKing said, we sometimes need to agree to disagree. There's nothing wrong with that. Your opinions are very valid and it's good you're here. What it sounded like to me was that you were virtually calling BarbarianKing, Copperfox, myself, and others arrogant and narrow-minded. That was something I was not about to tolerate. But, since we've cleared that up, it's all good I think.

As far as the series goes, there are lots of questions that need to be answered up front. From all I can tell, there are discussions about the future of the series. Mark made it very clear that all the films need to do well like LWW did for them to continue. They'd given VDT the green light, but that doesn't mean things can't change. Filming has been pushed back now and it can only get pushed back for so long. Georgie, Skandar, and William P. are not getting any younger. If I hear of more information that I'm permitted to relay on the forum, I will relay it. I know more than I can type at present. I hope right now that they will make VDT and that it will stick to the books. I know they brought in more script writers to help out Marcus and McFeely which is good. Also, in changing directors it will take time to get the new team in place. Set designer, Roger Ford, who worked on the first 2 films will not be returning. Harry Gregson-Williams who did the score of the first 2 films will not be returning. The amazing Dean Wright, who was the visual effects supervisor for the first 2 films will not be returning as he's directing his own movie called Kingdom Come. I can't wait to see it. There are lots of shoes to fill and details to work out. Time will tell what will happen.
 
It's going to be difficult at this point for the series to be completed. I honestly think they lost a lot of the momentum that LWW had gained for the series by waiting so long (2 1/2 yrs.) and releasing during the middle of one of the biggest summer blockbuster seasons we have ever seen. The series was further compromised by releasing a version of the film that disappointed a lot of core fan base. Simple changes to the film (taking out that kiss for example) would have gone a long way with fans.

Now that the filming has been pushed back it looks like it will be another 2 1/2 years at this point before we see VDT. Also, with several of the change-ups that we have seen with the production staff that Into the Wardrobe mentioned, the film may delayed even further.

I would like to see the complete series made, as would many others on here. Right now though it looks like VDT may be the last one.
 
I found it.

After searching far and wide... I found a summary from someone who read leaked first-draft script pages....

I know enough that if the hard-core fans (I won't name any names) were to read this summary they'd freak out and make death wishes towards the script writers. It has many added sub-plots, but personally I thought the summary sounded rather fun and enjoyable. :) But you know me, Mr. Hollywood (right, BK? ;)), would love to see changes to the book, of which it practically is a change. The main plot is the same as the book, and the main events from the book are mostly there. But the way everything happens, especially how the characters have evolved over the time since LWW is apparent; I like it.

In general, it's a big change from the book (one that I find pretty good, but that's just me). I'm not giving out the link, and I won't give anymore details. Flame wars can and will abound. As I said, this is a leak of a very early first draft, as the makers called it, "an experimental draft," so much of what I said might be taken out completely. There will most likely be many changes before the final version for the fans who follow Lewis to canon. The writers were really "concerned" they said, when they found out about the hype surrounding the leaked draft. As they said, it's "experimental." :)

...Ok, one detail....

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Lucy fights with a sword at one point. ONLY ONE POINT! :rolleyes: EXPERIMENTAL!!
 
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Truman said:
I found it.

After searching far and wide... I found a summary from someone who read leaked first-draft script pages....

I know enough that if the hard-core fans (I won't name any names) were to read this summary they'd freak out and make death wishes towards the script writers.
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We already seen it!!:p But we are not allowed to comment here. I hope you edit this post before the mods delete it.:p . I don't care what you think because we know the books are just another set of stories for you. As for the rest of the fans, we love the books just the way they are!!
 
BarbarianKing said:
We already seen it!! But we are not allowed to comment here. I hope you edit this post before the mods delete it. I don't care what you think because we know the books are just another set of stories for you. As for the rest of the fans, we love the books just the way they are!!
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Maybe they'll move it. :rolleyes:

BK, if you've seen the summary then why, oh why didn't you ever bring it up long ago, where you could've shut me up about it? :p And why didn't you ever talk about the facts about the summary whenever someone brought up a "what if" or "I hope they don't do..." question? I'm kinda confused. :(

...We should move this thread to the White Stag forum, since most of it seems to surround the future of the Narnia series. Mods! Duty calls! ;)
 
Because we are not allowed even to mention it. TDL could get sued. Just so you'll know. We don't want Paul to get in trouble.
 
No Powl'. Not for what you say. But posting links or spoilers from "original" work that has not officially been released to the public is potentially damaging to the forum and to Paul, our Admin. Like what Truman did. We have already known about these things. And had a thread about it that has since disappeared from the pages. I will not give a link to that. And I will not say anything about it since it's not permitted.
 
Woah woah... I was quoting a guy who wrote a summary of what he saw, I never actually read the script. The script itself isn't available to look at... except in maybe some hard-to-find, small website. Reading over some guy's summary isn't going over original work. We're cool here. :) And I'm sure posting info from the summary (which could be potentially false :rolleyes:) wouldn't be illicitly revealing anything direct. I'm sure you may have known about it, but I have a feeling you haven't the slightest about what it says.

Was the other thread linking to the script itself, or just a spoiler?


...Are we allowed to PM about it? :rolleyes: ;)
 
Truman said:
Woah woah... I was quoting a guy who wrote a summary of what he saw, I never actually read the script. The script itself isn't available to look at... except in maybe some hard-to-find, small website. Reading over some guy's summary isn't going over original work. We're cool here. :) And I'm sure posting info from the summary (which could be potentially false :rolleyes:) wouldn't be illicitly revealing anything direct. I'm sure you may have known about it, but I have a feeling you haven't the slightest about what it says.

Was the other thread linking to the script itself, or just a spoiler?


...Are we allowed to PM about it? :rolleyes: ;)
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nothing. the mods would not allow. You can PM, but not me. I will not discuss it because Admin Paul is a friend and I would feel bad talking about that.
 
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